Talk:Gnathostomata

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section taxonomy and phylogeny

I've added lines to indicate evolutionary relationships in this section - I may have made a mistake, please check.HappyVR 19:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Taxonomy and Phylogeny

Something's not right here. The acanthodians were the very first gnathostomes, and the placoderms came later. Why are the very first gnathostomes (the acanthodians) grouped in an advanced group of gnathostome (Teleostomi, in Eugnathostomata) when the placoderms (not being to first gnathostomes) not being grouped in "Eugnathostomata" (which I don't believe exists). Giant Blue Anteater 00:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, what I said is old an absurd. There could be a possible common ancestor between the placoderms and the teleostomes. Giant Blue Anteater 20:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Are there other explanations for the evolution of the jaw? Seems as if some information is incomplete Ayersmm (talk) 18:05, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

None that I'm aware of, nor am I aware of evidence which doesn't fit into the current theory. HCA (talk) 23:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Morphology and Characteristics

What characteristics are important in the jaw? What is the morphology and how has it changed over time? Would be useful to include a section focusing on these two ideas in order to better explain the Gnathostomata taxon and how it differs from other taxa.

An article to help get started:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7580.2012.01505.x/full http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012160604006177

Some additional info to help get started as well:Viscerocranial parts of the gill arch cartilage evolved to form the jaw. The cartilage provides support for the mouth in the embryo. The first pharyngeal arch is constructed of palatoquadrate cartilage and is part of the upper jaw. Meckel's cartilage makes the lower jaw.These two cartilages form the baseline of the vertebrate jaw. It is hypothosized that the Hox gene was lost over time which played a role in the early formations of the jaw. Nueral crest plays a crucial role in jaw formation (NEED MORE INFO ON THIS). The dorsal neural tube contain craniel neural crest cells, which lead to the pharyngeal arch growth. These cells form the dorsal primordium and ventral primordium, found under the oral cavity. It has been assumed that the embryonic skeleton of the lower jaw (Meckel's cartilage) is formed from the ventral, mandibular component of the first pharyngeal arch whereas the palatoquadrate cartilage is formed from the upper, maxillary component of the arch (Depew et al., 2002, Francis-West et al., 1998, Larsen, 1993 and Mina, 2001). Ayersmm (talk) 08:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC) andAdriennescarcella

section Morphology and Characteristics

This section should be included at some points Ayersmm (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Main picture x subgroups

The main picture on the right corner is from an Orcinus orca skull although the "Subgroups" only list fish Classes in it. Maybe the "Subgroups" should be called "Classes" and another division added to include clade or other unranked classifications. Of course, after reading the text, I can find the Teleostomi clade reason for the orca picture ;-) but another division and more information on the right corner would make this page even more helpful. 187.89.228.165 (talk) 03:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)Anderson Monteiro.

Broken Link

One of the external links is broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhoulikan (talk • contribs) 08:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Sources

Sources 16 and 17 in this article do not appear to be working properly. The link for 17 (Clack 2012) only links to the article and not an actual source, and source 16 leads to a broken National Geographic page. It would be good to find and add these original sources and fix these links. --Blfaubion (talk) 21:39, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Outdated Dunkleosteus reconstruction in header image

The image that shows many different gnathostomes at the top of this page has an atrociously outdated reconstruction of Dunkleosteus. It doesn't have nearly enough facial integument to cover its skull, its dorsal fin is much too small based on its ecological niche and known evidence of ceratotrichia in Dunkleosteus fossils, and its tail is far too anguilliform to suit a large pelagic apex predator like Dunkleosteus.

I think replacing it with a more recent reconstruction would be beneficial to the quality of this article, or replacing it with a different early gnathostome entirely. Maybe Entelognathus would be more appropriate, as it is one of the earliest known gnathostomes and possibly representative of a polyphyletic lineage that includes all other gnathostomes. Either way, the current Dunkleosteus image in this article is in dire need of replacement. Entelognathus (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

New edit proposal

The fourth paragraph seems to be uncited and plagiarized, I will be cutting the information and inserting the following text. " Jaw development in vertebrates is likely a product of the supporting gill arches. This development would help push water into the mouth by the movement of the jaw, so that it would pass over the gills for gas exchange. The repetitive use of the newly formed jaw bones would eventually lead to the ability to bite in some gnathostomes."

References