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Velha Goa[edit]

Under the History section, the last sentence of the second paragraph: ...Adil Shahis of Bijapur who made Velha Goa... I doubt the city was known by that Portuguese name in the years prior to European contact. Does anyone know the original name? 128.148.5.109 (talk) 22:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate Image description[edit]

I feel that the following image description is inappropriate:

Mangueshi Temple, Goa - One of the tourist Industry 's best atraction.

It is a place of worship, not some amusement park and deserves a better comment. The existing comment reduces it to a trivial tourist spot, no different from a beach? Any suggestions?--Deepak D'Souza (talkcontribs) 04:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC) i agree with Deepak D'Souza. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluegoa (talkcontribs) 11:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at the [:Image:File112.jpg|image description page]]. I'd be happy with a more plain description like "Mangueshi Temple, a Hindu temple in Old Goa". I think I'll change it to that now. If it is popular then maybe the word "popular" should be added? Graham87 04:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
From my point of view this is a fantastic web site that gives quite a graphic account of the state of Goa. Regards Mangueshim Temple, it is a tourist attraction in it's architectural beauty. Just as other Churches and Temples are also architecturally beautiful. One scene which I cannot forget is if you stand at the river bank of Mandovi at Divar and look back at Old Goa, you see the green trees ( coconut trees) linning the bank with their green tops and above that sie the yellow spires of the Churches. It is a fantastic view prticularly at sun rise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.41.34.62 (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Date Inconsistency[edit]

The article says "Goa has a long history stretching back to the 3rd century BC, when it formed part of the Mauryan Empire," but the Mauryan empire ended in 185 BC (see the article on the Mauryan Empire). One of the two articles must be wrong. RajeevA 03:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

But BC dates run backwards, so this means Goa starts in 300 BC by the Mauryas but the Mauryan empire itself declines by 185 BC.I don's see anything wrong in this statement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.130.183 (talk) 17:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Potential Copyright Violation[edit]

The line: "Goa soon became their most important possession in India, and was granted the same civic privileges as Lisbon." strongly resembles the copyright-protected content in Encyclopedia Britannica. I don't know which is the original and which the copy. Perhaps it can be modified in Wikipedia to avoid copyright problems. RajeevA 04:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

If you could point to the version it would be great . I believe that the 1911 version of EB is now outside copyright zone and, if it is taken from there it wont hurt. A simpler solution would be to reword the statement and avoid an issue. --Deepak D'Souza (talkcontribs) 04:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I accessed the article online. The preferred citation styles that Encyclopedia Britannica has are, "Goa." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2007. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 16 May 2007, and Goa. (2007). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved May 16, 2007, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Hard to say when the article was written, but the lines in question refer to the state of affairs circa 1600. The exact line in Britannica is "It was granted the same civic privileges as Lisbon.".RajeevA 19:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Fine! it needs to be rewritten to avoid copy vio. Go Ahead!--Deepak D'Souza (talkcontribs) 04:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

mention of Bollywood films shot in Goa[edit]

What I was trying to say in my recent edit summary was that I don't think Bollywood films should be mentioned in the article. To me it's quite obvious that people will choose to film in a place close to them. Mentioning Bollywood films in this article would be like mentioning in the Queensland article that many films in Australia are shot in Queensland. Graham87 12:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright status of video ?[edit]

Can someone confirm that the video Image:Goa 1955 invasion.ogg is indeed public domain ? Th file information says that it is a Universal newsreel from 1955, which would mean that it is still copyrighted, as per my understanding. Abecedare 07:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Goa nominated for WP:FAR[edit]

Goa has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Dwaipayan (talk) 08:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Goa which is founded by the Comunidades has no mention of the comunidades. Who the hell has suggested that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaunkars_of_Goa Integrate the content before you move further. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 05:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Education[edit]

Currently the section is more conversational than encyclopedic. Perhaps we can use Karnataka#Education as a model to follow. Here are some pertinent refs:

I'll work this information into the article over the next few days. Abecedare 02:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

What about the other top schools like Don Bosco and Sharda Mandir ?--Ad1970india (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Sub Headings[edit]

As part of the shortening of the article, I've noticed that some sub-headings have been removed. Eg. in the section 'Media and Communication', the subheadings used to be 'Radio', 'Television', 'Telecom', 'Print media', etc. I feel that these subheadings improve the readability of the article, and they should be included. Similarly, we could also have subheads like festivals, music, cuisine, architecture in the section 'culture', and also subheads in other sections like transport. The Discoverer 05:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur...GaimhreadhanMap of Ireland's capitals.png(kiwiexile at DMOZ) • 08:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

India's invasion of Portuguese Goa[edit]

Is it worth having a separate article on that? Most of the other Portuguese overseas colonies have their own article. I don't think I know enough about it to write it Speedboy Salesman 17:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Refer article Invasion of Goa. If you want to add more I can help. Discussion on the UN draft resolutions (s/pv.998) can be added. Also refer "Nehru Seizes Goa" by Leo Lawrence.--Ad1970india (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
You need to look at the date. The last post was in September 2007, nearly 2 years back. The dicussion has been "closed" from a long time. --Deepak D'Souza 04:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Demographics Section[edit]

The following statement is not true:

Goa's major cities include Vasco, Margao, Marmagao (also known as Murgaon or Mormugão), Panjim and Mapusa. The region connecting the last four cities is considered a de facto conurbation, or a more or less continuous urban area.

Vasco and Marmagao is more or less a conurbation, however the other three are not. The distances between the four places (Vasco-Marmagao, Mapusa, Panjim and Margao) is about 20-30 kms each at the very least and there are enough recognised villages and smaller towns along the way.

Feel free to make the changes yourself and to support them with a source or sources. Also, please sign your additions to this page by striking the tilde key four time. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I am wondering why no mention is made of the striking difference in the child mortality rates of the North Goa and South Goa: http://goagovt.nic.in/gag/arepop.htm Anonymouslyfornow (talk) 11:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

We were waiting for you to add it. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC) It may take a while :) Anonymouslyfornow (talk) 19:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

There has been a new census in 2011, so the statement about the 2001 census should be updated. :) Avelynodc (talk) 10:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Merge from Gomantak[edit]

NPOV in architecture[edit]

The language under "Architecture" has some unnecessarily poetic and flowery language: "Their vision was lofty and ambition sky high, but it blazed a short trail like a meteor," "a delightful combination," "this little jewel," "The friendly harbours that had sent out sparkling blue ripples to the world were to backflow and become the road of conquest and colonization," etc. Some of the pieces in question have pertinent information, but they need to be written in a neutral tone appropriate for an encyclopedic article.(JorgenMan (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC))

Inclusion of other territoties of Goa (India)[edit]

This is for your kind information that there exist other territories within the territory of Goa. The teritories comprises of village communes called as 'COMMUNES OF GOA'(also called as 'Comunidades' in Portuguese and 'Gaunkaries' in Konkani). There are a total of 223 Communes in Goa. More than two-third of the land of Goa (other than forest) belongs to the Communes and the rest belongs to the Government of Goa. As of today the Govt. of Goa stands illegally on the Comunidades. The mentioned area of 3,702 sq. km includes Govt. forest, private forest, Govt.land, and private land of Communes. Please make necessary corrections to geographical area of the state of Goa. A grave error has been committed by not including 'Communes of Goa' in the 'Subdivisions' section. Please include the following;

Subivisions

223 Communes of Goa

A link on 'Communes of Goa' is desired on the Goa page. Same has been requested on the India Page.


I request members to be well informed before making rude statements especially if ignorant of the facts. Kindly make necessary changes immediately because a comprehensive article on 'The Communes of Goa' is due to be published on wikipedia.


References are given below;

[1] [2] [3][4][5][6][7][8] [9][10] For more information; http://www.geocities.com/newagegoa/Chapter8.html?1146661378765 --59.95.35.27 (talk) 08:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is WIKI sleeping? Discuss here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:INB#Comunidades_Of_Goa_.3F--Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 16:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Gaunkars, wikipedia never sleeps, please value people's contributions, there is no need to loose temper. As far as Comunidades are concerned, yes, they should have rightful place on wikipedia since they are the founding establishments of Goa. The geographical territories are in question, this situation has arisen because State of Goa was formed in a haste without due considerations to Constitutional obligations, also Comunidades somehow got missed out from the special status/provisions (schedules). Your references though give enough insight into the Comunidade instituions and it's legal basis, we would still need help of experts on this subject. A few court orders would be very helpful. --Ad1970india (talk) 04:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

I am sorry to say, Goa's history does not start with the Mauryan Empire, but stretches back to antiquity. There were tribes known as Asuras, Mundaris, Kols and Kharwas now known as Kharvi, Velip, Dhangars, and Gauddi. Later many clans, groups, communities from different regions settled in Goa and established village communities. Please refer to the book titled “The Cultural History of Goa”, written by Anant Ramkrishna Sinai Dhume. Kindly start history with the aboriginals of Goa--Ad1970india (talk) 18:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC).

You are welcomed to edit the page and contribute. KensplanetTC 18:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, Ad1970india. We welcome new contributors to wikipedia and encourage them to be bold and make edits. But let me make you aware of some things. Since this article is about Goa, the history section has been kept short and concise. You may want to consider making edits to this article: History of Goa which is more detailed. Of course , please ensure that your source meets Wikipedia's rules regarding Reliable Sources. --Deepak D'Souza 04:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Tiatr[edit]

Could some "experts" take a look at this article and make sure I didn't mess up anything too badly? I stumbled on the subject and tried to do the best I could with what I could find. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Mention of Comunidades[edit]

Dear Friends, Let us stop our arguments here. But it is very important to make a mention of the Comunidades of Goa, without it, Goa seems to be an empty vessel. A comprehensive article on Goa Comunidades (with sources/references)is ready to be published. I request you to study it thoroughly to your satisfaction, thereafter it will have to be merged into Goa ( since you don't like to call it a separate territory). If you feel some content does not match wikipedia's norms, we can always discuss. Can I modify the existing article WP:Comunidade ? --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 13:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

First things first GoG, it's not what we like or don't like that matters. What matters is Relaible sources and verifiable content. Second, stop putting a "WP:" before everything. WP is a prefix for wikiprojects. Once you undertand these facts, go ahead and add something on the Communidades. Not more than two lines, just a brief note. Dont make it a seperate subsection. Add it to "People and Culture" section in the article. Add a good reference to it . Be aware that if you insist on adding your own spin to it we will remove it. We will help with any formatting if necessary.--Deepak D'Souza 17:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I do not want to leave out anything on the Comunidades, whatever be mentioned will be based on facts and reliable sources only, and verifiable. The point (urgent need) is that wikipedia editors should conscientiously verify it. You may thereafter decide what can be integrated into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa . The existing article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunidade has multiple issues and needs a major face uplift, and being competent I am doing the needful.--Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Lets concentrate on this article right now. Take a look at the subsections within People and Culture. Create a small paragraph just like the subsection Goa#Dance and music. In case you are not sure, you can put your section here, below this. We will discuss it first, then put it on the article page, OK? --Deepak D'Souza 17:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Kindly take a look at the userpage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaunkars_of_Goa , still under construction. It has a wealth of information for the ignorant. I want to upload the same to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunidade. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 05:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Deletion![edit]

According to Elsie Wilhelmina Baptista, author of The East Indians: Catholic Community of Bombay, Salsette and Bassein, Christianity is belevied to be introduced to Konkan by St. Bartholomew, one of the twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, who preached the Gospel and converted some locals of the Konkan.[24] Yet no concrete evidence has been found that there were any permanent settlements of Christians in Goa before the 16th century. It was only after the advent of the Portuguese voyager Afonso de Albuquerque discovered and took firm control Pan-Goa on the 25 February 1510, that Roman Catholic Christianity began to be propagated reached Goa.[25] With the establishment of Goa Inquisition in 1560, a large sections of the Konkani speaking native population became Roman Catholics and are popularly known as Goan Catholics, who account for the largest Christian community in Goa.

I had deleted this sourced content for following reasons: 1.This article is about Goa and not about origin Catholicism in Goa 2.Special article;Goan Catholics already exists 3.Most of the people will find this information biased 4.There is not need to stress on how Catholicism started in Goa in this article,this will also make necessary to write about how Islam started in Goa,and even history of Hinduism in Goa

Nijgoykar (talk) 02:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I think a brief outline of how Christianity gained a foothold in Goa is relevant to this article because, (1) it has had a very significant impact on Goan life and culture, and (2) unlike the presence of Hinduism, it is an outlier, and therefore needs explanation. I am not sure what part of the description you found to be biased - but if you can point that out we can certainly adjust the language. We can also consider if the description is best placed in the Demographics section, or whether History or Culture sections will be more appropriate. Abecedare (talk) 03:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)s
There's this purely POV sentence that keeps getting added, I've reverted twice, but not going to do it once more, but it doesn't belong in the article. -SpacemanSpiff 05:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)



Not POV at all... even

According to Elsie Wilhelmina Baptista, author of The East Indians: Catholic Community of Bombay, Salsette and Bassein, Christianity is belevied to be introduced to Konkan by St. Bartholomew, one of the twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, who preached the Gospel and converted some locals of the Konkan.[24] Yet no concrete evidence has been found that there were any permanent settlements of Christians in Goa before the 16th century. It was only after the advent of the Portuguese voyager Afonso de Albuquerque discovered and took firm control Pan-Goa on the 25 February 1510, that Roman Catholic Christianity began to be propagated reached Goa.[25] With the establishment of Goa Inquisition in 1560, a large sections of the Konkani speaking native population became Roman Catholics and are popularly known as Goan Catholics, who account for the largest Christian community in Goa.

is not so significant... it keeps getting added too....

what about that?


Nijgoykar (talk) 05:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

You need to take your crusade to rewrite history elsewhere. -SpacemanSpiff 05:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


History says it all,so no need for me to rewrite it,you do not seem to be from Goa, so you do not have a right to speak unless you know the reality and the myths.

Nijgoykar (talk) 06:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the detailed religiuos history based on the FA version of this article[1]. It will simpy encourage users to add their relegious communities or POVs.
Nijgoykar, pleas be civil. You cannot tell editors not to edit because they arent from Goa. I have told you this before so please take this as a final warning. You will be blocked for incivility if you continue with this. As it is you have broken the 3-revert rule today. Consider yourself lucky that you havent been reported for it. --Deepak D'Souza 09:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Religion in Goa[edit]

I think readers would like to see statistics or history of religion in Goa. Considering the heavy Portuguese influence and catholic churches, Goa does seem like it should be very different than the rest of India in terms or religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockford1963 (talkcontribs)

The community statistics are available in the Demographics section. The problem with adding a bit more about the history of Christianity in Goa only encourages other editors to put forth something about Hinduism, which they feel is being sidlined in coverage. See the above section. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 11:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I do not well understand the nuances inherit in Goa's history, however to be mute about this very unique aspect of Goa is a disservice to the reader I think. I can see there is a majority Hindu population in Goa, but was it always so? Goa is seemingly very different than the rest of India, if not for its curent religious demographics than for its historic importance in terms of incurison of western based religion (Christianity) into India. Correct me if I am wrong but it appears there was no other place in India that saw this much success in conversion of the inahbitants to christianity.Rockford1963 (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Whether Goa is unique or different from the "rest of India" is a matter of individual perception. Every Indian takes pride in his language/community/region/race etc and believes that it is unique. If the high percentage of Christians(30% as apposed to the national avg of 2.3%) marks out Goa as unique, there are two groups of people who would like to disagree:
  1. The Christians of Kerala who will gladly point out that their state saw the establishement of the first Christian community in the orient well before Europe itself.
  2. States like Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya where 70-90% of the population is Christian. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 05:10, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The article on Goa, or more particularly a subsection on religion in Goa, is just that - about Goa - it is not an article comparing religion or christianity within India. From what you seem to be saying writing anything about religion within India will inflame passions no matter how well intentioned the submission. If so, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done - but done carefullyRockford1963 (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately yes :-) , that is what happens many times. Personally I do believe that the Portuguese and the Christian influences on Goan culture and identity are relevant in the article. So, how do you propose we go about building a neutral paragraph that doesn't make the other party feel sidelined. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 06:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Portuguese language in Goa[edit]

Is Portuguese an official language of state of Goa? Ethnologue website says it is:

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=por

Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.41.247.178 (talk) 12:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


No it is not!It used to be until 1961 not anymore.Nijgoykar (talk) 09:32, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Image of Goa carnival[edit]

I'm pretty sure the image is of a carnival where Goa trance is being played in Germany. The festival appears to be called voov or vuuv. Check the flickr users album info here. The author says it was held in Pulitz, Germany. I think it should be taken down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.157.139 (talk) 22:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Gova and Goem![edit]

Goa is never referred to as Gova in Konkani.Its always Goem or Goy,and its Goem not Goa in Konkani! Nijgoykar (talk) 03:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Almost no reliable sources[edit]

This article is very badly sourced. For example, an important scholarly book on Goa has only been recently added to the bibliography (The Portuguese in India by MN Pearson published by Cambridge University Press). This book hasn't been directly used anywhere in the article either. The section on architecture is particularly bad and the education section is simply a rant.

I think it would be helpful if future editors to this page could use appropriate, credible sources such as books from reputable publishers and scholarly articles. If that is not possible, then I do not see how this article could be improved upon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GIDevi (talkcontribs) 17:16, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Languages section[edit]

I believe it is best if the see also links at the top of the section link directly to the language articles. So it should be 'Marathi language' not 'Marathi', which is a disambiguation page. Goan Portuguese is a one sentence article and hence would not be useful for readers trying to get more information about the Portuguese language. Plus, the differences between Goan Portuguese and European Portuguese would not extend to spelling and grammar given the small number of people who speak it which is not the case with Brazilian Portuguese. So, I have edited the see also links at the top of the section to be 'Konkani language', 'Marathi language' and 'Portuguese language'. We could add 'Goan Portuguese' to this list but it would be virtually of no use given the length of the article. Thank you.--Peroxwhy2gen Talk 20:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Being under the languages section it is intuitive even if the word 'language' is not placed afterwards. It is also intuitive to follow the Marathi disambiguation page to the language page and is also quite easy to do so. See WP:LINKCLARITY Excessively using the word 'language' makes it look a lot more cluttered, in my opinion. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for the plain english wikipedia article than here? Therefore, I will change it back to what it was originally.
With regards, to not having a link to Goan Portuguese, I can't see why it shouldn't link there considering it is quite dissimilar to Portuguese as spoken in Portugal (as well as Brazil). For example, the language as used in the novel Vivências partilhadas makes this quite clear (Jacob e Dulce too at points). However, I won't change this at the moment because as you point out, it's article is not substantial and there is very little other material elsewhere on wikipedia. What do you mean by 'Plus, the differences between Goan Portuguese and European Portuguese would not extend to spelling and grammar given the small number of people who speak it which is not the case with Brazilian Portuguese'. Could you clarify what you mean and do you have any evidence to back up your point? Thanks GIDevi (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
I meant that given the size and population of Brazil, there would be a larger variation between Portuguese in Brazil and Portuguese in Portugal compared to Goa. Unfortunately I do not have any evidence to prove this so I am content with my statement being dismissed.
As for the links at the top of the section linking directly to the respective language articles, I would like other users to share their opinion on this matter. If no one else responds I am happy to leave it as it is now. Thank you. Peroxwhy2gen Talk 02:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I think the links at the top of the language section should point to an article instead of a disambiguation page, per WP:LINKCLARITY and WP:INTDAB. Disambiguation pages confuse readers when they are reached by following a link in an article. If it looks cluttered: it can be piped, as I did with the links to the disambiguation pages per WP:HOWTODAB. LittleWink (talk) 21:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Flora and Fauna of Goa section[edit]

Should'nt the statement about the crops grown in Goa be included under the Economy section? in which case it is already mentioned under the latter. Also, I would also like to mention that Carambolim lake is one of the sites that is included as an Important Birding Area (IBA), which is the only site present in Goa. Carambolim lake also has a variety of wetland avifauna and is a famous spot for bird watching. It would be nice if this could be included under the flora and fauna section. :) Avelynodc (talk) 11:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Sumeria?[edit]

How did that get in there? I'm pretty sure the Sumerians never went near Goa. Can someone else cross-check this? Kortoso (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

This is very strange. There is some refrernce;
^ Dhume, Anant Ramkrishna (, 1986). The cultural history of Goa from 10000 B.C.-1352 A.D. Ramesh Anant S. Dhume. pp. 355 pages (see pages 100–150).
But this is not mainstream science.
As Summeria was in today's Iraq, I think it should be removed from the article. --Čeha (razgovor) 15:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to Sumeria. I think the rest of the places where this source are cited should be examined to make sure nothing else like that slipped through. Gruekiller (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Hindu - Christian Unity Statue at Miramar beach (mentioned below the photograph)[edit]

Hi,

The "Unity Statue" as it is called colloquially has nothing to do with any Hindu-Christian unity. It was erected in the 1960's to symbolize the late Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri's slogan of "Jai Jawan Jai Kisan". Originally, the two muscular men were holding the Indian tricolour which is missing now. The following link will direct you to an article confirming the above. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-08-15/goa/41413033_1_flag-miramar-surendra-furtado


Regards, Michael Nunes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.131.178 (talk) 03:30, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Portugal Editor Exploration's edits[edit]

Portugal Editor Exploration, please discuss your edits here and wait for discussion before making them. In the first part alone, I see two issues: GOA and the map caption. --NeilN talk to me 23:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Flag(s)[edit]

Why not TWO flags: Karnataka and India? MaynardClark (talk) 05:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Because Karnataka is a neighbouring state. Why would one display a Karnataka flag on Goa's article? Trinidade (talk) 05:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Pls revert this article to 2012 version as many things have been edited[edit]

Dear Wiki,

Pls revert this article to 2012 version as many things have been edited.

Earlier the Goa state emblem was removed by some unknown people, I had revoked it, but still now its missing. The world 'State" also is missing below the name "Goa". many latest news are missing.

Once again some Unknown persons are vandalizing this article, by editing and adding news and points that are obsolete. Pls see that this article is not edited and stays as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty3594 (talkcontribs) 14:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Pls revoke it and add the word state and also the emblem

thanks 16:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)16:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)16:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)~ I noticed that much important information is missing from this article. I traveled there in the previous decade. However, the two maps are IMO really good! MaynardClark (talk) 16:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ Foral of Afonso Mexia (the Magna Carta), dated 16/09/1526
  2. ^ Government Official Gazette, dated 15/05/1958
  3. ^ Preamble of the Diploma Legislativo No.2070, dated 15/04/1961
  4. ^ Gomes, Olivinho J.F. 1996. Village Goa. New Delhi: S. Chand & Co. Ltd. pp. 325-358.
  5. ^ Pereira,R.Gomes, 1981, Goa, Volume II : Gaunkari: The Old Village Associations, Goa, Panaji
  6. ^ Souza de, Carmo. 2000. “ The village communities. A historical and legal perspective”, in: Borges, Charles J. Goa and Portugal. History and development. New Delhi: Concept Publishing Co. pp. 111-124.
  7. ^ Adv. Andre A Pereira, 2007 “The Gaunkaries Of Goa” – A brief Legal synopsis of the Comunidades of Goa.
  8. ^ Kamat, Pratima. 2000. “Peasantry and the Colonial State”, in: Borges, Charles J. Goa and Portugal. History and development. New Delhi: Concept Publishing Co. pp. 133-158.
  9. ^ Menezes de, António. 1978. Goa. Historical Notes. Panaji: Casa J.D. Fernandes.
  10. ^ Paul Axelrod and Michelle A. Fuerch © 1998 The American History for Ethnohistory “Portuguese Orientalism and the Making of the Village Communities of Goa”.

Stop Edit Warring - Qwerty3594 & Portugal Editor Exploration[edit]

@Qwerty3594:, @Portugal Editor Exploration:, Regardless of who is right or wrong, please stop edit warring on this article. If you still persist, I'll place edit-warring warning templates on your talk pages & ask for this article to be locked and march you guys up for edit-warring. You may get a block, or worse - banned from WP! Do you know that discretionary bans, a draconian provision, exists for edit-warring on Indian articles?

I'm reverting this article to a state prior to the edit war. Please discuss on talk page in a new section below & get consensus for the text to be added. AshLin (talk) 14:38, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I respect your decision AshLin. the article was proper a month back, suddenly I see this month all info has been changed by @Portugal Editor Exploration:. he is not an Indian citizen hence he is not aware of the laws. leave Goa to us Indians and let us decide on our article, its a request, no other person please do not vandalize this article. Qwerty3594 (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Absolutely not. Any editor is good standing can edit any article they wish to. Please refrain from making such "requests" as you did on Portugal Editor Exploration's talk page. --NeilN talk to me 14:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I concur with User:NeilN, issue is not patriotism or even right/wrong but editting in a socially correct manner, with consensus for disputed text. AshLin (talk) 15:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
I have restored Goa to oldid 635204803 due to edit-warring. The two edit-warring users are hereby warned to get consensus for any disputed text on this talk page. Other uncontroversial info removed by this reverting may be added back carefully & with discretion. Any controversial edits will result in blocks being asked for the edit-warring editor (s). AshLin (talk) 15:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Agree with AshLin's restoration. Both edit warriors have been blocked. If they wish to continue after coming back, changes should be discussed using small, discrete blocks rather than one large modification. --NeilN talk to me 15:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Portugal Editor Exploration returned to the article today and made wholesale changes. I've reverted due to lack of discussion and consensus-gaining. Said user also left a comment with their preferred version of the article on this talk page; I refactored to remove the transclusion but left a link to that version of the article. —C.Fred (talk) 13:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed new version[edit]

What is wrong with this about GOA:

(transclusion of this version of the article removed)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Portugal Editor Exploration (talkcontribs) 12:27, 1 March 2015‎ (UTC)

Proposed revisions[edit]

Is there any problems with this article on GOA ? Is this not true ?


==Etymology==

In ancient literature's Goa was known by many different names, such as Gomanta, Gomanchala, Gopakapattam, Gopakapuri, Govapuri, Govem, and Gomantak.[1] The Indian subcontinent epic Mahabharata refers to the area now known as Goa as Goparashtra or Govarashtra, which means a nation of cowherds. Gopakapuri or Gopakapattanam were used in some ancient Sanskrit texts, and these names were also mentioned in other sacred Hindu texts such as the Harivansa and the Skanda Purana. In the 3rd century BC, Goa was known as Aparantha and is mentioned by the Greek geographer Ptolemy. In the 13th century, the Greeks referred to Goa as Nelkinda. Other historical names for Goa are Sindapur, Sandabur, and Mahassapatam.[2]

==History==
Rock cut engraving at Usgalimal
Gold coins issued by the Kadamba king of Goa, Shivachitta Paramadideva. Circa 1147–1187 AD.

Goa's history goes back 20,000–30,000 years. The rock art engravings exhibit the earliest traces of human life in the Indian subcontinent.[3]:p.254Upper Paleolithic or Mesolithic rock art engravings have been found on the bank of the river Kushavati at Usgalimal.[4] Petroglyphs, cones, stone-axe, and choppers dating to 10,000 years ago have been found in many places in Goa, such as Kazur, Mauxim, and the Mandovi-Zuari basin.[5] Evidence of Palaeolithic life is seen at Dabolim, Adkon, Shigao, Fatorpa, Arli, Maulinguinim, Diwar, Sanguem, Pilerne, and Aquem-Margaon etc. Difficulty in carbon dating the laterite rock compounds poses a problem for determining the exact time period.[6] Early Goan society underwent radical changes when Indo-Aryan and Dravidian migrants amalgamated with the aboriginal locals, forming the base of early Goan culture.[7]

Goa recorded in 1509

In the 3rd century BC, Goa was part of the Maurya Empire, ruled by the Buddhist emperor, Ashoka of Magadha. Buddhist monks laid the foundation of Buddhism in Goa. Between the 2nd century BC and the 6th century AD, Goa was ruled by the Bhojas of Goa. Chutus of Karwar also ruled some parts as feudatories of the Satavahanas of Kolhapur (2nd century BC to the 2nd century AD), Western Kshatrapas (around 150 AD), the Abhiras of Western Maharashtra, Bhojas of the Yadav clans of Gujarat, and the Konkan Mauryas as feudatories of the Kalachuris.[8] The rule later passed to the Chalukyas of Badami, who controlled it between 578 to 753, and later the Rashtrakutas of Malkhed from 753 to 963. From 765 to 1015, the Southern Silharas of Konkan ruled Goa as the feudatories of the Chalukyas and the Rashtrakutas.[9] Over the next few centuries, Goa was successively ruled by the Kadambas as the feudatories of the Chalukyas of Kalyani. They patronised Jainism in Goa.[10]

Portuguese Goa 20 Bazaucos reverse side from 1799

In 1312, Goa came under the governance of the Delhi Sultanate. The kingdom's grip on the region was weak, and by 1370 it was forced to surrender it to Harihara I of the Vijayanagara empire. The Vijayanagara monarchs held on to the territory until 1469, when it was appropriated by the Bahmani sultans of Gulbarga. After that dynasty crumbled, the area fell into the hands of the Adil Shahis of Bijapur, who established as their auxiliary capital the city known under the Portuguese as Velha Goa.[11] In 1510, the Portuguese defeated the ruling Bijapur sultan Yousuf Adil Shah with the help of a local ally, Timayya. They set up a permanent settlement in Velha Goa (or Old Goa). This was the beginning of Portuguese establishments in Goa that would last for four and a half centuries, until the 1961 Indian annexation of Goa.

Arms of Goa 1675

In 1843 the Portuguese moved the capital to Panjim from Velha Goa. By the mid-18th century, Portuguese Goa had expanded to most of the present-day state limits. Simultaneously the Portuguese lost other possessions in the Indian subcontinent until their borders stabilised and formed the Estado da Índia Portuguesa or State of Portuguese India, of which Goa was the largest territory. After British Raj India gained independence from the British in 1947, The Republic of India requested that all Portuguese territories in the Indian subcontinent be ceded to the Republic of India. Portugal refused to negotiate on the sovereignty of its rightful Indian subcontinental enclaves.

Coat of Arms of Goa as a Portuguese province 1935–1961.

On 19 December 1961, the Indian Army began military operations with Operation Vijay resulting in the invasion and annexation of Goa, Daman, and Diu and forcefully incorporating the regions into the newly formed Indian union. Goa, along with Daman and Diu, was organized as a centrally administered union territory of India.

The Treaty: The Treaty signed between Portugal Republic & Republic of India on March 14, 1975 acknowledges the full sovereignty of India on the territories of Goa, Daman, Diu, Dadra & Nagar Haveli effective from the date these territories became part of India under the Constitution of India.

Signed : March 14, 1975 ; courtesy: United Nations Treaty series 1975: Vol: 982, pg: 159

On 30 May 1987, the union territory was split, and Goa was made India's twenty-fifth state, with Daman and Diu remaining as a union territory.

References

  1. ^ "Goa". National Informatics Centre(NIC). Retrieved 4 January 2009.
  2. ^ Sakshena 2003, p. 5
  3. ^ Indian Archaeological Society (2006). Purātattva, Issue 36. Indian Archaeological Society.
  4. ^ Kalyan Kumar Chakravarty, Robert G. Bednarik, Indirā Gāndhī Rāshṭrīya Mānava Saṅgrahālaya (1997). Indian Rock Art and Its Global Context. Motilal Banarsidass Publ.,. pp. 228 pages (see page 34). ISBN 9788120814646.
  5. ^ C. R. Srinivasan, K. V. Ramesh, S. Subramonia Iyer (2004). Śrī puṣpāñjali: Recent Researches in Prehistory, Protohistory, Art, Architecture, Numismatics, Iconography, and Epigraphy: Dr. C.R. Srinivasan commemoration volume, Volume 1. Bharatiya Kala Prakashan,. pp. 469 pages (see page4). ISBN 9788180900563.
  6. ^ Sakhardande, Prajal. "7th National Conference on Marine Archaeology of Indian Ocean Countries: Session V". Heritage and history of Goa. NIO Goa. Retrieved 30 March 2011.
  7. ^ Dhume, Anant Ramkrishna (1986). The cultural history of Goa from 10000 BC - 1352 AD. Ramesh Anant S. Dhume. pp. 355 pages (see pages 100–150).
  8. ^ De Souza 1990, p. 9
  9. ^ De Souza 1990, p. 10
  10. ^ De Souza 1990, p. 11
  11. ^ Dobbie, Aline (2006). India: The Elephant's Blessing. Melrose Press. pp. 253 pages (see page 220).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Portugal Editor Exploration (talkcontribs) 18:38, 2 March 2015‎ (UTC)

@Portugal Editor Exploration: It would be easier to review if you expressed a few smaller changes in a clearer form (change X to Y) than give us two blocks of the article and make us do the comparisons. Also, from a procedural standpoint, new threads go on the bottom of the page, not the top. —C.Fred (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Marathi and Kannada[edit]

Marathi and Kannada languages need also to be changed in the chart (to the right of the text). MaynardClark (talk) 11:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Non-specific for Goa's visitorships[edit]

"Goa is visited by large numbers of international and domestic tourists each year for..."

>> "large"

Need numericals. How large is large? 100? 100,000?

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Local demonyms[edit]

I believe demonyms such as Goenkar & Govekar that is used by the locals should be included just as local demonyms for Brussels, Monaco, etc. are.103.48.58.226 (talk) 07:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia uses English language, plus those foreign words that have become commonly used in English texts. I don't think there is significant use of either Goenkar nor Govekar in English texts.
Regarding demonyms for other places, Belgium lists only "Belgian". The Brussels article should not imho include all of the demonyms that it does; Brusselse for example is hardly ever encountered in English text. The essay "Wikipedia:Other stuff exists" discusses basing such arguments on the content of other articles. Batternut (talk) 08:23, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Not just Brussels, there are more & a few I mentioned to you. None of them have been removed by anyone. My argument is that it's a local demonym & people reading about these places not just Goa or Maharashtra but also Monaco, Wales, Quebec, etc. who want to know about it should be able to learn something so basic. Being so exclusively English that even a local term is too much is quite silly & it's already in practise on many articles & some I've mentioned.103.48.58.226 (talk) 18:09, 26 March 2018 (UTC)