Talk:Goldsmiths, University of London

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Reorganisaton[edit]

I've reorganised the article to roughly follow the guidlines set down in Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities, and added what info I could to the history, student life and sports, clubs and traditions sections. A number of the sections could do with more information from someone with better knowledge of the university, however.

Department of Cultural Studies[edit]

Is is true that this is one of the best departments of cultural studies in the UK?

Student Union controversies[edit]

Hey Thesqueegeeman, you're comparison with University_of_Illinois_at_Urbana is mistaken. The controversies in that article are all to do with the university itself, not the university's student union. The section on its student government has no controversies detailed and is quite brief. Goldsmith's student union is not the same institution as the university although the two obviously have strong links. The student union has its own article where these controversies are more relevant. Bosstopher (talk) 23:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


1. Finding an example to "fit the mold" is irrelevant, and a proof by example fallacy.

2. There are plenty of other relevant university Wiki articles in which similar national stories have been put on their main page because of the massive amount of attention they have attracted and relevancy to the University's history.

Examples of articles with similar inclusion of student related controversies include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_College_%28Massachusetts%29#Discrimination_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlin_College#Campus_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia#Student_life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University#Recent_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morehouse_College#Student_life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champlain_Regional_College#Distinct_culture_and_traditions

3. You can't all of a sudden, arbitrarily remove this section from the main page after it's been established as part of this article for a long time. These are major, international stories that are highly relevant to a college which has otherwise not received any similar high profile press.

Consequently, if you wish to alter the article you can either fold these relevant stories into the mainpage's history section, as others have done, or summarize the controversies and link to the separate page. We all know that removing the stories entirely is a part of a agenda to make them disappear.

It could be given it's own section on the mainpage like "Campus Culture" as was done in Oberlin College's article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlin_College#Campus_culture Or a separate section for controversies on the mainpage like like Gordon College's wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_College_%28Massachusetts%29#Discrimination_controversy

Thesqueegeeman (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey Thesqueegeeman. First of all, as I have told you before, I am not making these stories "disappear entirely" I have just moved them to Goldsmiths Students' Union where they are more relevant. Secondly, only the Bahar Mustafa story was really both "major" and "international." The other two stories recieved a small amount of coverage. Perhaps a one sentence summary of the Bahar Mustafa even should be included but I do not see why more should. Also things haven't been "established as part of this article" what's happened is that random people have dropped by and tacked on a bit about the recent student union controversy, often in a way that distorts the sources used. There has been no extensive discussions about what should and should not be on this page. I did not remove the content arbitarily, (indeed it wasn't removed at all just moved) I did so because i believe it doesnt belong in this article. Bosstopher (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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