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Why not combine this article with [Chav]? Most of the information is the same, we can dedicate a new paragraph on the Chav page for Gopniks, but I don't see why we need a new article for it.86.164.230.152 (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are different subcultures. Netrat (talk) 10:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- They as very familiar in many aspects, but I still insist that they are different. Pancakes and crepes are very familiar, but should be merge them in one article? Netrat (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am Russian, I am grew with Gopnik's, and I can too say that its different subcultures —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.209.120 (talk) 23:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could put it the other way around - why not put Chav article inside of Gopnik? Now you see. Anyway, these are somewhat similar but actually different subcultures so no need to merge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.240.251.193 (talk) 12:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gopniks have their specific history and behavior based on Soviet prisons manners. btw picture is good. They sit just like that guy. Even if there's a bench they will break it first and then sit like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.26.232.227 (talk) 01:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Вы чо такие дерзкие??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.3.120.39 (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfounded Anecdotal observations

The "Stereotypical appearance and behaviour" section is amass with unfounded, unsupported, descriptions of appearance and behaviour.

For example "Sunflower seeds (colloquially semki (семки) or semechki (семечки)) are habitually eaten by gopniks, especially in Ukraine and Russia. Gopniks can also be seen wearing flat caps and Adidas backpacks."

"Gopniks are often associated with cheap alcohol, such as low-quality vodka and light beer, cheap cigarettes, low-end mobile devices, and sometimes firearms"

Where is the evidence?

"Gopniks favor Lada Classics as their primary means of transport." This is a ridiculous assertion, again, where is the evidence?

"The subculture is stereotypically associated with Russian chanson music, specifically the blatnaya pesnya subgenre (prisoner's songs, lyrics etc...); also, since the mid-2010s, in internet memes and viral videos, with hardbass and Russian rock.[11]" the reference doesn't actually back this assertion.

"Gopniks are often seen wearing Adidas or Puma tracksuits (mostly Adidas), which were popularized by the 1980 Moscow Olympics Soviet team.[10] " This is based on assumption,these could be unbranded or fakes. Direct evidence is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.50.6 (talk) 22:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed some of the unsourced assertions, but restored those with reliable sources. Feel free to tag any specific assertions you find unsupported, but please don't bulk delete any referenced content without prior discussion. Jpatokal (talk) 01:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The squatting thing?

Should there be a reference to this squatting thing which appears to be peculiar to the gopnik? It's not something I'm aware of in either chav or ned behaviour. WeeJimmyFaeGorgie (talk) 09:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The squatting thing must be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcibiades979 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:58, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

>"at the pictures" (на карташах) : It's not about 'pictures'. "Карташи" is another way to say "корточки" или "корты".

>Russian prison culture to avoid sitting on the cold ground : It's not about cold only, it's about dirt and mud too. Also, some places may be marked as 'unclean', and if one sits there, he becomes a 'rooster'. So one cannot put his butt wherever he wants, and has to squat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.153.132.170 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All that said, the picture for that section ("File:Gopnik Slav Squat.png") does not actually show a "squat" -- the man is resting his 'butt' on the edge of the wheelbarrow... this is called "sitting". This linked Google Image search shows many images of actual "squats" for comparison. – _•Raven ^.talk 19:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at the pictures"

An anonymous user, 145.255.172.94, has deleted a phrase and its translation (at 05:26 on 31 May 2019), with the summary:

 Delete , "at the pictures" (на карташах), не смешите людей. Нет такого слова, и оно точно не является родственным слову "Картинка".

(= (on the cards), don't make people laugh. There is no such word, and it is definitely not related to the word "Picture" - Google Translate)

This isn’t the first time the phrase has attracted comment! (see above, #The squatting thing?) It does look like there’s something not right about the article here. But 145.255.172.94 seems probably too dismissive: “no such word”? - Google Translate seems to recognise it OK.

That earlier comment, mentioning Карташи, describes Карташи as “another way to say” "корточки" или "корты" ("squat" or "courts" - Google Translate again). The comment reads a bit like someone spotting a typo - but Google Translate doesn’t recognise Карташи as Russian . . instead it offers the thought tht kartati in *Serbian* means cards!

Can anybody help?

My conclusions so far:

something needs fixing in the article
145.255.172.94‘s deletion may be a bit of an over-correction!
alongside "in court" (на корта́х) and "doing the crab" (на крабе), there may well be other phrases . .
“at the movies”?
“playing cards”?
Is there also a punning phrase in use, linking squatting to the court experience common to gopniks?

- SquisherDa (talk) 08:51, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gob

"Gob-stop" is a word from London's slang of 1800-1820. A little bit later it came to Russian as "gop-stop". [b] became [p] due to Russian language peculiarities of pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussiebuck (talk • contribs) 14:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow

Woo-Hoo! This article is amazing. I never expect to find something like this in English Wiki. And yes, photo is wonderful and very authentic, ROFL. You make my day, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.139.111.115 (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Political/Ideological Beliefs?

I just found a video about current-day Gopniks posted on a predominantly white nationalist site, and wondered why. Came here to find out and find no connection to explain why that video might have been posted. Are there any cultural/political/ideological beliefs that are common with these Gopniks, that might explain the posting of that video on that site?Tym Whittier (talk) 15:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Give us the url? - so contributors can check it out, see what’s maybe missing from the article.

-SquisherDa (talk) 23:40, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My man do be straight boolin on the stairwell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobross1846 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If they have any view it's typically very broad suprematism, anything about "we are strong and good, they are weak and evil", typically cult of power of some sort. Vaguely you can call it ethnic nationalism or communism, but gopniks don't have clear views.

"White" is a one very misleading term because in xUSSR and Eastern Europe in general race is a foreign concept. Shinsheel (talk) 17:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suburban areas

It's not exactly "suburban", it's more of american-style ghetto without ethnic component. To be more precise - big urban residential areas full of mass housing.