Talk:Gregg shorthand

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What are diction machines and what does "Series 90 version" refer to?

Series 90 was an edition of Gregg shorthand that was so dumbed down that you couldn't get very fast with it. Dictation machnes are stenotypes and the like. --Marlow4 21:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank heavens! I started with Diamond Jubilee in school (1976), and they switched horses in midstream to series I know the system was flawed and I wasn't dumb like the teacher tried to imply back then!

The example image[edit]

Which version of Gregg Shorthand is the picture of? DJ? I think it should be labelled more clearly. -- 12:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

What, you mean the alphabet? It's common to all systems of Gregg Shorthand. It is a unified system after all. Be kind of hard to use if the alphabet changed all the time. (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Memory load?[edit]

Please add a definition of memory load as used in the article. I did a cursory web search for a definition, and it is not easy to find immediately-- the results that came up were computer related. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Cursive longhand comparison[edit]

Currently, the introduction says " Like cursive longhand, it is completely based on elliptical figures and lines that bisect them. "

This seems an odd thing to say. Cursive longhand does not fit this description.

Ordinary Person (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

What kind of cursive? The cursive hands (Spencerian, Palmer, Copperplate) that were popular at the time of the creation of Gregg shorthand explicitly emphasized the ellipse as the basis of writing letters. I would say that the modern English cursive hands (such as D'Nealian) somewhat resemble German fonts such as Sütterlin. Still, I would disagree that they aren't elliptical, particularly when you look at how people sign their name.

Nowadays, unlike when my grandparents went to school, penmanship is hardly emphasized. I don't even think they teach cursive. Back in the early 1900s everyone learned the Palmer method, which put great emphasis on arm motion. I think Gregg shorthand instruction capitalized on this American phenomenon to its advantage. You frequently read in Gregg manuals of 'using your arm, not your fingers' to write, which is a didactic mark of the Palmer method.

This book was very helpful and an okay read ( —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Polish derivate of Gregg shorthand?[edit]

Here it is the only place, where you can read about it. Is it confirmed in any way?

If anybody knows, where to find any informations of Polish derivate of Gregg system, please, send it on

We are in project of development Polish shorthand inspired by Gregg. Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

In Leslie Cowan's book John Robert Gregg, on page 107: "His system was adapted to a large number of languages throughout the world during these years: French and German editions of the shorthand textbooks were published in 1924; Polish and Maltese appeared in 1926..." So this doesn't really help much, the year 1926 is the only additional information. --Ryhanen (talk) 19:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Russian derivative[edit]

The same with Polish. I never found any mention of Russian version of Gregg shorthand, neither in English, nor in Russian-speaking Net. --Sindikat (talk) 09:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

A German shorthand history book (Christian Johnen's Allgemeine Geschichte der Kurzschrift, 4th edition, 1940) mentions a Russian version by Akopjan (1933), but nothing more than the name and year. --Ryhanen (talk) 21:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
An adaptation by Frederick G. Fox and Louis List (Stenografia Gregga) was published in 1935. Google finds some hits, but the book is probably very rare. -- Ryhanen (talk) 13:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge References[edit]

I propose merging duplicate references. For example, the reference to "Gregg, Basic Principles, 16." would be a named reference and only appear once. Any concerns? I bring up this idea before implementation under WP:CITEVAR. DutchTreat (talk) 01:08, 15 February 2013 (UTC)