Talk:Groupama

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NPOV? Not really.[edit]

Almost half the text of this article is related to a fire-and-brimstone rant by the tiny maker of software who alleges piracy of his works, without any independant citation. His software product company website contains all these allegations in PDF form:

http://www.twd-industries.com/archives/groupama_exposed.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.49.111.140 (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The original article (and web site of the victim http://twd-industries.com/archives/) present the facts that you claim never existed. Please stop the blattant censoring: obviously GROUPAMA would have sued if these claims were just libel.83.77.94.151 (talk) 15:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Blattant Censorship[edit]

You deny official documents issued by French Police and French Dept. of Justice (the General Prosecutor of Paris) to be "independant citations". The software publisher you are referring to is only making those documents available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.62.156.72 (talk) 08:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

(1) If no prosecution took place, a Wikipedia article can't allege that the bank was caught in piracy. (2) The maxim "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" applies here. The letter from the prosecutor declines to prosecute. The other documents in the bundle are unofficial. (3) If reliable sources repeat the allegation, then ask us again. Meanwhile such claims are totally unacceptable according to Wikipedia's community standards. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to contradict you but the French law states that any seized party reffusing to let a bailiff make the necessary investigations ORDERED BY A JUDGE (it was the case), is automatically considered as GUILTY.83.77.94.151 (talk) 15:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
You are edit warring again. You rightly point out that I don't know French law. If GROUPAMA is automatically considered guilty, where is the court finding of copyright infringement, or court order to pay compensation to twd-industries? Where is the press report?
The Wikipedia notion of reliable sources is not a simple matter of truth and falsehood. Whether you agree with that or not, it is not a policy a single person can overturn.
--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 21:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)