Talk:Gruppenführer

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If You met a GruppenFuhrer You would raise your right arm and Say Heil SS GruppenFuhrer

Actually I don't think this is true, the "ultimative" nazi salut was "Sieg Heil" or "Heil Hitler", I don't think you had to solute any lower rank, since that would place the lower rank on the same level with the "ultimative" Führer, wouldn't it?--87.178.212.71 (talk) 00:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WWI[edit]

^Dork. Anyway, the rank was used by the German army in the WWI. So SA wasn't the first to use it.--Ukas 14:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firefighting Corps[edit]

The smallest tactical ff unit is a so called "Trupp", which is lead by a "Truppführer", it's at least 2 men strong and not more than 6. It even has an own symbole, it's basicly the same as the "Gruppenführer" but has only 1 dot above it --87.178.248.49 (talk) 21:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other uses of Gruppenführer[edit]

I think this article is biased way too much toward Nazi organizations. Gruppenführer is also a contemporary designation for anyone who is in charge of a group of people. It is used as a rank in the fire departments and other civil and rescue services, and as military post or temporary assignment. In many companies managerial positions below department manager are often refered to as Gruppenleiter, which also translates as group leader or group manager. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.226.19.30 (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gruppenführer is still a common term in the German armed forces, the Bundeswehr, and refers to the leader of a group of soldiers. The company (Kompanie) is usually divided in 3 platoons (Zug, pl. Züge) which consist of three groups (Gruppe, pl. Gruppen). Each group has most commonly 10 to 12 soldiers as members. The military leader of such a group, usually a sergeant or staff seargant, is officially designated as Gruppenführer, which has nothing to with any National Socialist meaning but is simply a technical term to specify the role of this soldier. Same applies to Zugführer, Kompanieführer etc. There is also a deputy group Leader role (Stellvertretender Gruppenführer), usually assigned to a private first class or lance corporal rank. So please refer to that in the article and move the meaning from the third Reich era to some "historical meanings" section, because nowadays the phrase only applies to a present military role in common German language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.146.228.77 (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

To the Anon with the dynamic IP address who has been conducting a revert war to change the variant of English in this article to a different variant: Please read WP:ENGVAR and then tell us your reasoning for changing the spellings in this article from American to British? As far as I can see, the article is and has been predominantly in American English. Please resolve this issue here on the talk page. —Stephen (talk) 10:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked for the page to be semi-protected at WP:RFP. (Hohum ^@) 12:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rank equivalency.[edit]

I forgot to log in, but the edit removing the nonsensical Major General equivalency is mine. Generalleutnant absolutely equals Lt. General in Anglo armies, and General-Leitenant in RKKA. All three are supposed to command a unit above division-size (Corps/Korps/Korpus). I don't know what the source mentioned there says, but I'll gladly provide my own ones if someone will insist. At the moment, I just removed the offending sentence. IDiO (talk) 07:29, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]