Talk:Oregon Route 86

I would like to make additions to the oregon route 86 page

I would like to make some additions, not deletions to this page.

Is this talk page being monitored by other users or editors? 6/25/12 0322 UTC

Im new to this talk page. If other users or editors are monitoring this talk and/or my user talk page, please:
- mention this on my user page
-with your identity (just enough needed for contact) and
-preferred method of communication and
-your average checking frequency,
so i know if my messages will be read.thanks Please see my user page at User_talk:67.160.137.69 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.137.69 (talk) 03:28, June 25, 2012‎ (UTC)

You're requesting things that most registered editors will not provide in a public forum. We have watchlists which alert us to any changes made to pages we've watched. I will not release my identity (you may refer to my by my user name, which is Imzadi1979) and if you wish to directly contact me, there is User talk:Imzadi1979 or the e-mail link from my user or user talk pages. If you wish to propose any changes to the article, please make them here as this article's talk page is the proper forum.

Now, to address the substance of your previously made, and now reverted changes, in short: no. The exact mileposts of county lines or other boundaries are not needed in the junction list of the article, unless that is a location of a junction that merits inclusion. We limit these to include only other state highways/routes/roads, US Highways or Interstate Highways; county roads are normally not included. If we're dealing with a freeway, then all exits are included, regardless of the type of intersecting roadway. On articles that involve state lines, those are included because the mileposts reset at the state line. If we don't show the terminal milepost for Minnesota and Wisconsin in addition to Michigan on U.S. Route 8, no one can verify the overall length of the highway.

If you want to include a mention of the time zone boundary in the text of the RD section, that's fine, even with an approximation of how far away from the county line or other feature it is. ("the road crosses into the Mountain Time Zone approximately 23 miles (37 km) east of the Harney–Malheur county line; the county line is shown as the boundary on some maps though"). Anything more is overkill and should not appear in the article. Imzadi 1979 → 04:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Imzadi19796/25/12 0557 UTC
I am using bold letters just as a title header for my paragraphs for faster scanning of the article. It has no emotional intent.

Your Identity:My intent was just to find out how to contact you, not trying to get your info.Just letting you know

How items included are to be decided/determined "as needed".Who is "We"?

Can i ask who determines, what goes on the Milepost list. Do you personally make this decsion, if not could you tell me who, and is this person authorized by wikepedia to make these decisions? I noticed that the MOS:RJL page is not a protected page and is allowed to be edited. Am I supposed to edit the MOS:RJL page and make changes to these rules. I personally think the info i suggested should be included, since sometimes i am disappointed on how much info is not included on these pages. I think its a nice reference (since maps have this listed to estimate locations on the map to actual mileposts to determine exact distances) to have county lines or other info on the milepost graph, since its a quick way to scan and see the info, instead of the lengthy reading of articles. I have more to say, on why this is a good idea but i will wait for your reply. I first want to establish who gets to decide these standards.

How Overkill is determined?

When you mentioned overkill: I would like to know as mentioned above, how you or who determines this. I feel that alot of these highway pages are underkill if you dont mind me saying that. I would like to discuss increasing information on these pages. I can find alot of people that think that most of the info on these pages are overkill already. It would be nice if the page is set in a way where each viewer can choose there over/under-kill level.

If you claim that I am doing anything wrong

If you are giving me commands to follow or claiming certain things about my actions, please cite where it says this information (please tell me the page and paragraph). If your cite is off a unprotected page,please explain how that page has authority. I am unclear if you are an authorized reperesentitive of wikepedia or just another user over stepping there authority.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.137.69 (talk) 06:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

We=the Wikipedia Community. The Manual of Style pages, including the specific page on "road junction lists" aka MOS:RJL, should not be changed without previous discussion to insert or remove content. The appropriate method to get a change is to make a proposal on the guideline's talk page, which has the WT:RJL shortcut. Changes are only made to the MOS pages based on a consensus for a change, although minor copy editing that doesn't alter the meaning are acceptable.

Protection level doesn't determine the authority of a page. Policy pages (which is the top level, second only to the Five Pillars may not have any level of protection. Guidelines, of which the MOS is one, are the next level, and the bottom of the heap are essays.

As to my opinion, it is overkill to specify the exact milemarker reading for a county line in a junction list. The key word there is junction, and county lines are not junctions. Yes, we include some other non-junction related items like major bridges and tunnels, but we historically have not included boundary lines unless they coincide with a junction except in the case of state lines for the reason I detailed above. We write for a generalized audience here, and the exact locations of boundaries are not data points that interest our readers. We also have standards for inclusion based on the general requirements for long and short highways. Adding 14 or so more rows to Interstate 75 in Michigan for all of the county lines is unnecessary, IMHO. Imzadi 1979 → 06:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, you don't need to preface your comments with the timestamp. Please add four tildes (~~~~) to the end of your comments, and the server will convert that into a signature. The signature will contain the timestamp for when you saved your edit. Imzadi 1979 → 06:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussion related to how Wikipedia works moved to User talk:67.160.137.69. Imzadi 1979 → 11:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)