Talk:Hoary bat

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Evolutionary info

I have removed or rewritten the following text, as it would be much better off in the main articles on bats or vesper bats:

Evidence indicates that bats are more closely related to perissodactyla, e.g., whales and elephants, carnivores, e.g., dogs/bears and cats), and pangolins (scaly mammals found in Africa and Asia) than to what is usually suspected, mammals belonging to rodentia such as rats/mice, beavers, and porcupines.
There are many families of bats and the hoary bat belongs to the largest family of all, family vespertilionidae. The relatives in this family include the long-eared bats and the mouse eared bats. This family is distinctive for bats that have small eyes and long tails. Furthermore, the vespertilionidae family of bats is most closely related to the family molossidae (free tailed bats). These bats are small to moderately large in size and have a unique bony tail that they use to assist them by using it as a sort of "feeler".

--TDogg310 (talk) 23:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taxonomy of the Lasiurini

Hi PierlucMViel, I have undone your edit that listed this species as in the genus Lasiurus. Bat articles generally follow MSW3, and in areas where it is outdated, the ASM Mammal Diversity Database. We follow the ASM in placing several species in Aeorestes that were formerly in Lasiurus. Things can be changed on Wikipedia to reflect the best available science/authorities, but they need to be internally consistent (it wouldn't make sense to have this back in Lasiurus but to have other species still included in Aeorestes based on the Baird publication). We can have a conversation and see if there is consensus to change the bat taxonomy structure to have Aeorestes as a subgenus or keep it as it's currently treated. Enwebb (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is "Master Pancake" a hoax?

This article claims that the holotype of the hoary bat was collected in Pennsylvania by someone identified as "Master Pancake." The silliness of that epithet, especially for a person in 1796, smells a bit fishy to me. A scientific catalogue is cited, but it's relatively easy to falsely cite a book, as fewer people have access to it. Searching other websites, Master Pancake seems to be the name of a theater, but the only mentions of "Master Pancake" on sites relating to the hoary bat are in sentences that are either identical or very similar to the sentence in this article, implying that the site creators learned that detail from Wikipedia. Could it be that this "Master Pancake" is just a bit of vandalism that flew under the radar thanks to the obscurity of this article? Does anyone own or have some form of access to the cited book, and can that person check page 15 to confirm or deny this ludicrous fact? HopHoppipHarvest (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am the editor in question and I assure you, Master Pancake is no hoax. I did search for him quite vigorously when I made my edits to this page a couple years ago. Alas, I have no information other than his name. link to source in my Google Drive. I haven't found it hosted on the internet anywhere, or I would link it the article ref... Enwebb (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HopHoppipHarvest: Also I'm pretty sure his surname is Pancake and Master is just being used as a title. So all I had to go on was that there was a Mr. Pancake who lived in Pennsylvania in 1796. I think I was even checking census records! Enwebb (talk) 01:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction paragraph

the introduction paragraph seems weird as it says "It lives throughout most of North America (and possibly also in Hawaii, although this is disputed)"

what did the writer mean when they said possibly when hawai'i does in fact have a native hoary Bat subspecies? 808Poiboy (talk) 19:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some people say that the Hawaiian hoary bat is a subspecies of the hoary bat (Lasiurus cinereus semotus) but more recent classifications say that it is a separate species (Lasiurus semotus). Wikipedia has them listed as separate species following the American Society of Mammalogists. Enwebb (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

aaah ok 808Poiboy (talk) 21:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]