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Too Positive[edit]

This article has the stink of advertisement. It lacks citations for many claims. The tiny piece of criticism that (obviously) IBM has allowed to remain is watered down with "in previous versions", etc. I suspect any negative or less than positive additions would quickly be removed by IBM. A wikipedia admin should mark this page as an advertisement. Martiniano (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Just want to support you in that statement. For me, it's quite hard to imagine that this article could ever become "negative enough". When that's said, I'm currently using IBM Lotus Notes, which is... well, I won't even try to critize it. I don't have words bad enough to do it justice... Tslupphaug (talk) 11:48, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Please stop these conspiracy theories about IBM. I am a Notes user too, and find the article reasonably balanced. Yes, many people find Notes hard to work with, but all in all it does work. There's already a section "Reception" (which might be renamed "Criticism") - so it's not like criticism is absent right now. If you want to add information about problems, go ahead - I don't think objective and sourced criticism will be removed. Sebastian (talk) 07:38, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Number of installed seats[edit]

"Since that time, the installed base of Lotus Notes has nearly tripled from an estimated 42 million seats in September 1998 to more than 120 million in 2006."

I don't see a source for these figures. The number seems rather inflated - - are these 120 million seats counting R6 and R7 upgrades twice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 10:45, April 12, 2006 (UTC)

Someone please edit "Nowadays..."[edit]

"Nowadays Java is also integrated in Lotus Notes, as is JavaScript." This sounds horrible. I'm not a writer, so please, someone fix this sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 16:15, January 27, 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 11:40, February 1, 2006 (UTC)


It is definitely a cool tool to build a Wiki with...! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 12:20, March 23, 2006 (UTC)

Elided comments about Notes as an email client[edit]

The comments don't seem to be supported except by reference to the site - hardly NPOV. Added to list of external links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 16:13, March 28, 2006 (UTC)

this might be a stupid question[edit]

What's the difference b/tw Lotus Notes with Messaging User License and Lotus Notes with Collaboration User License? Like the subject reads, this might be a stupid question, but I've never encountered this software, and I'm one of those non-techy types.

Messaging user license seems to require your have a server license as well for each CPU, Collab. User Lic. license covers both server and client, but is limited in size of userbase and some of the notes multi server features are not available. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 14:35, June 6, 2006 (UTC)

--RhsAtRhs 19 Aug 2006 -- You are confusing two questions. First there's Messaging vs. Collaboration licensing. Second, there's regular vs. "Express" licensing. Messaging lets you use mail, calendar, and some simple IBM-supplied application templates. Collaboration lets you use everything just mentioned, plus custom applications developed in-house, by consultants, or by ISVs. Customers can buy either Messaging or Collaboration liceneses in either of two ways. Anyone can buy the regular way, which involves paying per server CPU and per client. Customers with 1000 or fewer seats can buy "Express" licenses (either Messaging Express or Collaboration Express), which involves paying only for client licenses because servers are free in this license model.

Can Lotus Notes be used at home?[edit]

I am told that the drawback to using Lotus Notes at the office is that some people can't access it from their home computer. True? False? What are the details on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 00:14, October 22, 2006 (UTC)

--RhsAtRhs 23 Oct 2006 --False. Notes was explicitly designed for remote access and off-line work. It has a very long history of offering multiple solutions for support of users who are not connected to the same network as their servers. It had its own dial-in mechanism, its own encrypted network connections and its own indirect access (called "passthrough servers") long before LAN dial-in, VPN solutions and reverse proxies were generally available for other solutions. And Domino has supported web access to mail and applications since 1996. So, the only reasons someone wouldn't be able to use Notes from home are: (a) they don't have a computer, and (b) their company won't let them.

Notes is a DBMS[edit]

The authors lack RDBMS knowledge. DBMS means ANY db mgmt system, not relational, and Notes has a DBMS. I also removed mistaken descriptions of RDBMS. "Relational" has nothing to do with parent-child or index/key, it means that tables are RELATIONS or TUPLES.

I added Notes/Domino to the Database category. I would love for somebody to figure out exactly what KIND of database Notes NSF is - I know it is one, but does it fit into any academic category? Certainly it's multi-value and object like.

Charles Ross —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 12 June 2007, 07:44 (GMT).

Notes is similar in structure to Hypercard. I do not have an accurate academic description but that description may trigger one for someone else.

Evisionary (talk) 01:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't say the authors "lack RDBMS knowledge". Lotus Notes databases can be made relational and can interact with relational databases if that is desired, however it is not required with Notes, as relational data structures carry impracticalities and overhead. Notes is not very "academic" in terms of categorizing it, but more practical for business/workflow apps. You could whip up something more specific to your needs with Notes without having to worry about third normal form etc. Other advantages offered by the platform extend beyond what the category of "database" offers. DavidBoudreau (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


I noticed that the default sound for an incoming new email is identical to the sound my Thunderbird makes. The functionalities are also very simmilar to my Thunderbird with a few Plug-Ins. Is it possible that some Thunderbird Code was used when this system was developed? I cannot find anything about it on the page. Mozilla is mentioned in the aricle, but there is a difference between "adopted leading design techniques and prevailing user interface and navigation paradigms" and using the code directly. Thunderbird is Open Souce, so there is probably no problem with using their code (depending on which kind of License they are using), but if they do I would like to know about it in this aricle. Does anyone know more about this?--Do ut des (talk) 11:55, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Related software[edit]

Why there are two "Related software" sections? (talk) 06:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Fixed, there's only one section now.Sebastian (talk) 07:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

An experienced Lotus Notes developer comments on the marketing and deployment of Notes[edit]

If you are reading this Wiki, you must be interested in Notes. At this stage of the game, you have probably heard and seen many horror stories about it, or you have seen the "marketing gibberish" epitomized by most of what you saw in the main content pages here. In the interest of your quest, I want to provide some opinions from someone who was considered very good as a Notes Developer, Designer, Sales Support rep, and so on over the several years and releases I worked with it.

Let me say right up front that I was a "Notes Evangelist". I believed in the concept, and tried hard to make people understand what it was all about. That does not mean that I thought it was perfect, or the right tool for all potential customers. As far as I was concerned, it was the ultimate proof of the meaning inherent in the phrase "Different Horses For Different Courses". Or similarly, "You don't buy a Ferrari to haul freight. You buy a Mack". Notes was a Mack. Not only that, it was a "customized" Mack, intended to best-serve one specific purpose: Workflow.

In the many years I developed Notes applications and oversaw customer deployment of same, I regularly heard one question/comment from potential customers: "Why is it so complicated? Outlook is so much simpler to use". Or, similarly, "DB2 is a so much more advanced database system. Why use Notes, which is not even relational?"

I had a hard time explaining to people that Notes was not specifically an email system, nor was it a database system. It was a workflow system, which required the specialized ability to send messages as well as to store documents in a manner that allowed them to be related to each other in many different and unpredictable ways.

I explained that Notes was essentially a tool to describe the processes by which a proposal, engineering change, website change, customer request, or any other "document", was to be acted on within a company (or between coordinating companies), then forwarded for approval and, if necessary, further action, approval, action, approval, etc., etc.

These processes are quite often not well described, and as a result, the actions taken are sometimes incorrect, out of sequence, or even unapproved. Notes not only documented the processes in a consistent manner, but enforced the policies that governed the processes.

Inevitably, the response was something like "the sales guy never said anything about that. He just called it an email system".

Eventually, I had an opportunity to talk to a Lotus marketing guy about that. His response? "Executives don't know about the kind of problems they might have (in their processes). They're concerned about their products or services, not their internal processes. I sell them Notes as an email system, which they understand, to get in in the door, and then rely on you guys (Sales Support technicians) to show them how it can be otherwise used".

So, the customer ends up with an expensive email system, which requires specifically-trained people to support, and which is not really as good for that purpose as was Outlook (for instance). Then they discover that it has db capabilities, and so the company deploys an application of that sort. Then they hire a "real" DB Admin, who informs them that "Notes is not a very good general purpose database handler". Then they decide to use it to handle their website, and eventually discover that there are other tools that are simpler to use for that purpose--and for which it is much easier to find trained staff.

In the end, they never use Notes for the purpose for which it was designed, and for which it did an excellent job: Workflow Management. What they have ended up with is an expensive tool which is only just adequate for the uses for which they've deployed it.

The really unfortunate part of this is that the marketing guy was right. If he tried to explain to the execs what Notes really did really well, he'd never make the sale. Better to "get it in the door", and hope for the best.

And we wonder why it died in it's original form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Well said, and 100% true. I've been earning my crust on it since 1991, and am still doing so now. It's very misunderstood, and it's a crying shame IBM never bothered to find out how to market it properly. It's still buggy as hell, even now, which doesn't help matters, of course. Recidivist23 (talk)recidivist —Preceding undated comment added 14:17, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

The future is history[edit]

There is not a single piece of information in the Future section of the article that is actually still valid for the future. All that is mentioned is history. My suggestions would be to merge the History and Release history top level sections where the Future subsection becomes part of the History section together with the Release History section, and the Branding subsection becomes a new top level section.--Forage (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)