Talk:I Can Love You Better
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Debut single?
[edit][copied from my Talk page]
The Dixie Chicks didn't have any singles before I Can Love You Better, as far as anyone can tell. If they had earlier non-charting singles, Eric444 or someone else with the Whitburn book would've already added it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 02:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Seconded, they didn't have an earlier single than this song CloversMallRat (talk) 03:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- In December 1991, the Dixie Chicks issued a single release "Home on the Radar Range". See this Google books link to Country Music: The Rough Guide p. 524. You can see what the cover looked like on this fan site. Other sites such as this one also describe it. If this was the first single, then "I Can Love You Better" cannot be their debut single. It won't be in a Whitburn book because it didn't chart. As for why Eric444 missed it, you'll have to ask him. CloversMallRat's edit summary of "this sentence doesn't fit the article, and they didn't release any singles - 'I Can Love You Better' was the first song from the grp to be released to radio charting, see Discography" misses the point; the debut single category is not defined in terms of charting singles, but rather any single. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I stand corrected. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 03:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Technically "Home on the Radar Range" was considered a Christmas single, so therefore the discussion is irrelevant because those don't count. If it hadn't been a holiday song, it would count as a debut single. Christmas singles don't even get to be in the singles section of discographies; they're under "other charted songs". If you want, you can add it to that part of their discography with dashes to note that it didn't chart, but you can't consider it a debut single, because it simply wasn't. CloversMallRat (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Since when do Christmas singles not 'count'? They are considered like any other in the Whitburn books and in discographies. Even in WP they are considered part of the normal chronological sequence of singles, for example "All I Want for Christmas Is You" in Mariah Carey discography and "Please Come Home for Christmas" in Eagles discography. A debut single is simply the first single that an artist releases, whether it comes in July or December or is about a love gone bad or a holiday. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- To answer the first question; they always haven't "counted" as real singles. Also, you're referencing pop artists discographies for country articles, and that's not right - see Faith Hill discography or Rascal Flatts discography and note the location of holiday releases. They actually do make a difference, for example - a holiday single is not just any old single, its sent out right before the holidays and charts for like 4 weeks then goes poof ... and most of them chart from unsolicited airplay anyway and aren't even released. CloversMallRat (talk) 00:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Home on the Radar Range" was released by the group hoping to get sales and airplay and attention for themselves, just like any other intentional single. I think the discographies you point to are trying to separate out chartings of things that aren't intentionally released as singles but happen to get airplay or downloads anyway, which is not the case here. And I don't see why pop vs. country makes any difference. But I've made my case for the record. I would lose a poll on this, as 90% of the world doesn't even realize the Dixie Chicks existed before 1997, so they certainly wouldn't question your position. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Not always, the song "A Baby Changes Everything" was intentially released by Faith Hill as a single, and it still was moved under "other charted songs" by experience Wiki editors, with the reason being that Christmas songs don't count as real singles. CloversMallRat (talk) 03:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Home on the Radar Range" was released by the group hoping to get sales and airplay and attention for themselves, just like any other intentional single. I think the discographies you point to are trying to separate out chartings of things that aren't intentionally released as singles but happen to get airplay or downloads anyway, which is not the case here. And I don't see why pop vs. country makes any difference. But I've made my case for the record. I would lose a poll on this, as 90% of the world doesn't even realize the Dixie Chicks existed before 1997, so they certainly wouldn't question your position. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- To answer the first question; they always haven't "counted" as real singles. Also, you're referencing pop artists discographies for country articles, and that's not right - see Faith Hill discography or Rascal Flatts discography and note the location of holiday releases. They actually do make a difference, for example - a holiday single is not just any old single, its sent out right before the holidays and charts for like 4 weeks then goes poof ... and most of them chart from unsolicited airplay anyway and aren't even released. CloversMallRat (talk) 00:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Since when do Christmas singles not 'count'? They are considered like any other in the Whitburn books and in discographies. Even in WP they are considered part of the normal chronological sequence of singles, for example "All I Want for Christmas Is You" in Mariah Carey discography and "Please Come Home for Christmas" in Eagles discography. A debut single is simply the first single that an artist releases, whether it comes in July or December or is about a love gone bad or a holiday. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Technically "Home on the Radar Range" was considered a Christmas single, so therefore the discussion is irrelevant because those don't count. If it hadn't been a holiday song, it would count as a debut single. Christmas singles don't even get to be in the singles section of discographies; they're under "other charted songs". If you want, you can add it to that part of their discography with dashes to note that it didn't chart, but you can't consider it a debut single, because it simply wasn't. CloversMallRat (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I stand corrected. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 03:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- In December 1991, the Dixie Chicks issued a single release "Home on the Radar Range". See this Google books link to Country Music: The Rough Guide p. 524. You can see what the cover looked like on this fan site. Other sites such as this one also describe it. If this was the first single, then "I Can Love You Better" cannot be their debut single. It won't be in a Whitburn book because it didn't chart. As for why Eric444 missed it, you'll have to ask him. CloversMallRat's edit summary of "this sentence doesn't fit the article, and they didn't release any singles - 'I Can Love You Better' was the first song from the grp to be released to radio charting, see Discography" misses the point; the debut single category is not defined in terms of charting singles, but rather any single. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)