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the sentence " ... defining idiots as people whose IQ were below 20 ... "


must be "below 24" not "20" anon. user. 20.April.2006

            NO! I was wrong. :) it is strange but different countries accepts different grades. for US. the true one "20". sorry :)

"Other uses" section[edit]

The "Other uses" section is a joke. It is not necessary to 'give examples' of a term that appears on every other web page of the Internet, and, for obvious reason, that section is nothing but bait for flame wars and vandalism. "Examples" of "idiot", indeed. Can anyone think of a better bait for vandalism in wikipedia than an editable "examples of idiots" section ??

Personally I think the whole section should be removed.

I removed the obvious flames, along with advertisements for rock groups. Yes, I know it won't last. At least I'll know I tried.

History error?[edit]

" "Idiot" was originally created to refer to "layman, person lacking professional skill", "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning". " Originally it stems from Greek, which is the first part of the sentence. So how does the psychological definition fit in that sentence, the second part??

Grammar[edit]

Idiot([id-ee-uht])" Defenition :(1)An opinionated word meaning fool, half-wit; imbecile; dolt, dunce, numskull an utterly foolish or senseless person.(2)an utterly foolish or senseless person

Origin:1250–1300; Gk iditēs private person, layman, person lacking skill or expertise, equiv. to idiō [1]


References

grammar[edit]

Definition : 1. word meaning an utterly foolish or senseless person. 2. fool, half-wit; imbecile; dolt, dunce, numskull, (idiot[id-ee-uht])–noun opinionated

Origin: 1250–1300; ME < L idiōta < Gk iditēs private person, layman, person lacking skill or expertise, equiv. to idiō- (lengthened var. of idio- idio-, perh. by analogy with stratiōtēs professional soldier, deriv. of stratiá army) + -tēs agent n. suffix idiot c.1300, "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning," from O.Fr. idiote "uneducated or ignorant person," from L. idiota "ordinary person, layman," in L.L. "uneducated or ignorant person," from Gk. idiotes "layman, person lacking professional skill," lit. "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from idios "one's own" (see idiom). Main Entry: id·i·ot Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&t Function: noun clasification;opinion


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Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2018[edit]

I wish to change or add a meaning to this word because acording to an article called American Government - Get Out the Vote it states "Have you ever heard someone being called an “idiot”? If you have, what they are really being called is “someone who does not vote.” The word “idiot” comes from the Greek word idiotes. In ancient Greece this was the word for someone who kept to himself. Idiotes did not participate in Greece’s public life or politics. They did not vote or debate important issues." this shows that idiot has a different meaning to it. Link to article below... https://www.readworks.org/article/American-Government---Get-Out-the-Vote/f32f1941-bf4d-4beb-a64a-97521645542f#!articleTab:content/ Muligan12342 (talk) 20:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. First of all, the information already substantially exists in the article and reading the existing content is always a good idea before suggesting improvements. Secondly, a secondary school reading development website is probably not going to be considered a reliable source by most other editors on etymology and history. Thanks and I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:33, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Sense development of idiot[edit]

The current Etymology section repeats the story that in Ancient Greek, idiot meant not just "private citizen", but "selfish people with bad judgement" and thus "stupid people". It's a nice parable, repeated by cited sources. Unfortunately, these sources seem to be over-interpreting. In fact, the standard sources for Greek (Liddell & Scott) and English (OED) etymology document a much more straightforward sense-development: private > private citizen (not a public official or involved in public affairs) > a layman as opposed to a professional (orator, soldier, doctor, philosopher) > unskilled, ignorant, undistinguished, plebeian > stupid, mentally deficient.

Now, it may well be that there are serious classicists who sustain the parable about its being stupid to be uninvolved in public life. If so, let's cite them rather than essayists making a point about political uninvolvement in modern life. --Macrakis (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

PS I know that this parable is often repeated, but it does not seem to be correct. I am currently tracking down some additional sources about the history of this interpretation, and would appreciate any pointers that others may have. --Macrakis (talk) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I have corrected the article with material from A.W. Sparkes' "Idiots, ancient and modern", which debunks this claim. --Macrakis (talk) 22:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2018[edit]

Please add the following image: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.bloomjoy.systems%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F07%2FUntitled-1-7.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Freadbloomjoy.com%2F2018%2F07%2F18%2Ftrumps-face-google-idiot-ddt%2F&docid=bzw_y_9aBMmqZM&tbnid=5XkfvOBqHlIF_M%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiB8_zx16ncAhVnGDQIHRwECvkQMwicAigEMAQ..i&w=700&h=400&itg=1&bih=1173&biw=2339&q=idiot&ved=0ahUKEwiB8_zx16ncAhVnGDQIHRwECvkQMwicAigEMAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8 98.242.25.53 (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: While humorous, this isn't appropriate for the article.--Jorm (talk) 22:50, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2018[edit]

REFERENCE 8 Anthamatten, Eric (2017-06-12). "Trump and the True Meaning of 'Idiot'". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-06-26. IS NOT FACTUAL AND IS AN OPINION PIECE BY NY TIMES.

REFERENCE 8 SHOULD BE REMOVED SINCE IT PROVIDES NO FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT IS USED IN THE ARTICLE Justinbarbertondrone (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The context for the reference is about political opinion, and thus fits in the section.--Jorm (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2018[edit]

On July 18th 2018, a Google search for "idiot" would bring out a picture of Donald Trump as the first result. Nailgun70 (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Wow. Is this article showing up on a talk show or something? No, we're not going to do this; it's not appropriate or encyclopedic.--Jorm (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)