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Okay I edited this page can somebody check agian what else it will require besides the map. I have talked to Stratosphere about the map situation and he is willing to do the work but wants to wait a bit before doing it at this moment. --Mihsfbstadium 13:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Interchange name additions

In short, my opinion is that they can't be used.

  1. The signs don't label them as such. They may be the destinations on the signs, but that does not attribute such a proper name to the interchanges unlike the named interchanges on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, like the Fort Washington Interchange. The purported source though doesn't include any photos of guide signs for these two interchanges anyway.
  2. The purported source given for these named doesn't use them in its text. (We've already discounted the photos of the signs in point #1.) Even if the text did support such naming, it's a self-published source. We could use the specific links to cite the actual road signs (which has been done with {{cite sign}} in other articles), but the text isn't usable. (And it doesn't look good for the credibility of the source when they misname Michigan's highways as "Michigan 57" instead of "M-57", does it?)

Based on both of these points, the verification of the names has failed, and the usage of the source has failed policy. The additions have to be removed. Imzadi 1979 → 16:02, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Do whatever you want, since you think you own every Michigan highway article. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
No, I don't own them, the community does. However, additions to articles have to follow policy on sourcing. The local, colloquial name may be to call them the "Downtown Flint" and "Mount Morris" exits, however, we need a source for that. Ontario Highway 401 is colloquially called "the 401", and Floydian (talk · contribs) had to find a source for that. If you can find a newspaper article from the Flint area that actually attributes these names to these exits, then that would withstand scrutiny. We're trying to upgrade articles to an appropriate level of sourcing, and the various "roadgeek" websites out there aren't going to cut it. Imzadi 1979 → 17:10, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Where's a source that says the 69 interchange is a four level stack then? I'm going to delete it tell you find one. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
BTW I've lived in Flint my whole life and I've never heard anyone call it the "UAW Freeway" or the "David Dunbar Buick Freeway", and there's no signs on it that indicate this either. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
That the names are not in use doesn't mean they don't exist. MDOT can not use FHWA funding to erect highway signs for memorial highways. This prohibition was enacted after the Phase I segment of M-6 was built. That is why there is a "Paul B. Henry Freeway" sign on the eastern end, which was built before the change in policy, but not on the western end in either Phases II or III, which were built afterwards. The signs along M-28 for the "Veterans Memorial Highway" were paid for with private funds through various non-profit veterans groups in the UP, so they're not subject to the prohibition. Should MDOT solicit alternative funding sources or use state-level transportation funding in the future for these signs, they may be added. Most of the department's sign replacement funding comes from FHWA at this time as I understand it, so they aren't erecting memorial highway signs. Imzadi 1979 → 17:27, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
As for the source for the four-level stack, and all of the other notes which you removed, check any map. The first duty to any editor around here wishing to remove information, outside of WP:BLP-related issues, should be to find a source if a reasonable person should assume one exists. Before I removed the interchange names originally, I did a search which didn't turn up anything. Since Michigan doesn't officially name its interchanges (outside of one or two exceptions), I removed the notes. That the interchange is a four-level stack can be verified from any map inset of the Flint area, or any online mapping service zoomed into the appropriate level/scale. Ditto the exit numbers and access restrictions on the other interchanges. That removal was very WP:POINTy and borderline disruptive. Imzadi 1979 → 18:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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