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Archive 1

This page is an Archive of the discussions from Katherine Jenkins talk page (Discussion page). (2006 - 2010) - Please Do not edit!

Best-selling?

As far as I know, the best selling classical artist is Sarah Brightman, not Katherine Jenkins (Yes I know Sarah Brightman is not a pure classical singer, she is crossover) but isnt Katherine a crossover artist too?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.219.57.226 (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Classical artist

Ho ho ho she is not an opera singer, she is a model with a voice, being promoted wildly at a time when record companies thought that this kind of trash was a better sell than the real thing. Avoid her and buy records by real singers. Maria Helleberg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.229.98 (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hype To describe Jenkins as a "classical" artist is, well... like calling Charlotte Church or Russell Watson classical artists. A Wikipedia article should not pander in its hyperbole to the taste of Classic FM listeners and/or Sun readers nor should it reflect their style.

The claim that she is Britian's 'best-selling' classical artist is unsubstantiated. Has she sold more records than Handel or Elgar? Or the various orchestras that have recorded film soundtracks. And who cares? Claims about record sales are generally the preserve of pop singers, whereas classical singers tend to list their rolesGert68 15:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, at the very least she deserved some decent recognition. It's (very?) rare for an ex-model to venture into Classical music just like that. And she did work very hard to be where she is today, didn't she? On the other hand, I do admit sometimes her choice of songs is more 'flashy' than musically proper. I mean, sometimes her voice does not come out with a full, 'round' tone, especially in live performances. Another thing is she tends to have breathing problems, no? It's evident, especially in her Youtube clips. If she wants to go to the opera, or at the least to further her career with the likes of Sarah Brightman and Josh Groban, projection is certainly an aspect she should try and improve. The flashy dresses' OK, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.58.86.15 (talk) 06:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

It is debatable as to whether she is a classical singer, because her style is closer to that of a crooner. Furthermore, she has never performed a professional concert with an orchestra without being amplified, which is the normal performance practice for classical singers. She is classically trained, but so are many pop singers and many other people who do not work in music or are members of amateur choirs.

Precisely! Your clarification was precisely what I was trying to say. There is a vast contrast between the reality about Miss Jenkins and the media hype. Orbicle 12:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Like someone already said, she is a Classical singer and sings Classical/Opera music - whats the big deal if she also sings a few Pop songs as well?

Katherine herself said in the Mail article on Saturday 26 January that she is not an opera singer but sings classical songs. So presumably that classes her as a "classical singer".Oyster24 (talk) 12:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Classical or not, this article reads like a flattering bio that could have come from her own website. Can someone who is into the topic please include some appraisal/critics of her, and describe her relation to the classical music world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.24.137 (talk) 09:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

In tonight's interview she said she is a classical singer, not an opera singer. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

This seems to assume that 'classical music' means music, of whatever type, accompanied by an orchestra. It isn't. OMG, this is basically a KJ fansite, isn't it? It isn't worthy of Wikipedia. Ioan_Dyfrig (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC).

Right then. A model, trash, not a real singer? Royal School of Church Music St Cecilia Award, member of the National Youth Choir of Wales for three years, twice BBC Radio 2 Welsh Choirgirl of the Year, BET Welsh Choirgirl of the Year, degree and teaching cert. from the Royal Academy of Music. Bet she can't even read.

I hope you're all going to write in and disclose your own superior qualifications? What? Not musicians at all? That's obvious, musicians have to have open ears. And I'll tell you what about voice production; bel canto died when the microphone was invented. Ferrier, Schwarzkopf and Callas are a bunch of yesterday's hysterical warbling divas, and yer young lady here is the future. Hope she does do opera; I might even listen.

After all, why should anyone these days sacrifice true tuning and transparent purity of tone just to prove they can bellow loud enough to be heard at the back of the hall?

Don't know what gave you all the idea that talk pages were for snobs' hate-mail, but seeing as you mentioned it.... and yes, I am qualified and no, I have no connection. Thanks for your attention. Redheylin (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Katherine has herself said that she is NOT an opera singer but a singer of classical songs. Oyster24 (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Mezzo-soprano

Mezzo-soprano is a term which implies opera or oratorio. What operas has Jenkins sung in? Orbicle 10:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)"

RESPONSE - perhaps it is an attempt to subvert the snobbery displayed here. She sings classical music so she is a classical artist, simple. (This anonymous comment was posted by 81.155.84.195)

Precision of definition is not 'snobbery'. Katherine Jenkins is not an opera singer; she has never appeared in an opera, and stated on Woman's Hour that she would like to by the age of 30. As she is currently 26, this implies that no one has invited her to do so.

Furthermore, Katherine Jenkins' career is irrelevant to the ProjectWikiOpera 81.129.108.42 15:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

By convention, the term mezzo-soprano never implies anything about whether a singer is an opera singer or not. The term simply describes the singer's range, which is lower than a usual soprano and higher than an alto, with a wider overlap with the male tenor range. It is just a more proper term -- musically, at least -- to describe a singer, such as calling Celine Dion a dramatic soprano or Justin Timberlake as a lyric falsetto tenor. To compare a sorano to a mezzo-soprano is like comparing a teenage girl with a mature lady -- I guess that's where Miss Jenkins' greatest strength is -- her voice is at paradox with her visage. 202.58.86.15 02:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

This needs clarification. By current convention in the languages of Italian, English, Japanese, Thai, and other languages around the world, if a singer (not the singer's _voice_ but the singer him/herself) is described by a voice type, then the description implies that the singer performs opera. On the other hand, if a singer's voice is described by a voice type, then there is no such implication. The editor above fails to make that distinction, yet a cursory review of the singers whoa are cited proves the convention: Celine Dion is not described as a "soprano": instead, her voice (or voice-type) is described as soprano. Timberlake's voice type is not mentioned in his Wiki article, but his would be a clear example of the conventional use of the term.

Accordingly, the article should be reworded to clarify three points: her voice type is a mezzo-soprano; she is not now an opera singer; but her stated goal is to become an opera singer. This rewording should be done in a NPOV manner. Oconnell usa (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Award show

Anon edit " the most prestigious award show and concert in the world." Seems POV, who says its the most prestigious - if someone agrees delete that quoteAlci12 16:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Also why is Joe's Pub referred to as unfortunately named?

Removed the strange quote about Joe's Pub, to make the article more neutral POV. Budgiekiller 18:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Katherine's poppy dress

I would love to put her Poppy Dress on her Wiki page.

How do I put it in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikejaysmith (talk • contribs) 03:12, 29 October 2006

Citation for use

"Katherine the great: Katherine Jenkins". The Independent. 1 November 2008.

"Katherine Jenkins is so pretty, so cute, so wholesome and so winning, it's hardly surprising some people can't stand her. You just don't get this level of sexy innocence every day." Fascinating reflection of pessimism in culture. Alientraveller (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Future dates

Detailing selected future performance dates seems unsuitable, as the details may change. People should visit her official web site if they want to know tour dates. Recent Runes (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Appearance

KJ's appearance has changed quite a bit during her short career. Is this just down to hair and makeup, or has she had a bit of work done? This would be odd if true, since she was an attractive woman to start with. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

In tonight's interview, Morgan asked her if she'd had any work done, and specifically if she had breast implants; she refused to answer. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Gethin Jones

Why is there no mention of Gethin Jones on this page? KJ is mentioned on his page and it seems odd considering they are living together that he is not mentioned.Kateab (talk) 00:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. I don't know why Gethin isn't mentioned - perhaps the fans are jealous! Oyster24 (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Birthdate

Did some change her birth date from June 30th to June 29th? I read this article a few weeks ago and could have sworn the date was June 30th then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.229.132.164 (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC) \

Never mind. :)

Award show

Anon edit " the most prestigious award show and concert in the world." Seems POV, who says its the most prestigious - if someone agrees delete that quoteAlci12 16:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Also why is Joe's Pub referred to as unfortunately named?

Removed the strange quote about Joe's Pub, to make the article more neutral POV. Budgiekiller 18:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Mezzo-soprano

Mezzo-soprano is a term which implies opera or oratorio. What operas has Jenkins sung in? Orbicle 10:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)"

RESPONSE - perhaps it is an attempt to subvert the snobbery displayed here. She sings classical music so she is a classical artist, simple. (This anonymous comment was posted by 81.155.84.195)

Precision of definition is not 'snobbery'. Katherine Jenkins is not an opera singer; she has never appeared in an opera, and stated on Woman's Hour that she would like to by the age of 30. As she is currently 26, this implies that no one has invited her to do so.

Furthermore, Katherine Jenkins' career is irrelevant to the ProjectWikiOpera 81.129.108.42 15:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

By convention, the term mezzo-soprano never implies anything about whether a singer is an opera singer or not. The term simply describes the singer's range, which is lower than a usual soprano and higher than an alto, with a wider overlap with the male tenor range. It is just a more proper term -- musically, at least -- to describe a singer, such as calling Celine Dion a dramatic soprano or Justin Timberlake as a lyric falsetto tenor. To compare a sorano to a mezzo-soprano is like comparing a teenage girl with a mature lady -- I guess that's where Miss Jenkins' greatest strength is -- her voice is at paradox with her visage. 202.58.86.15 02:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

This needs clarification. By current convention in the languages of Italian, English, Japanese, Thai, and other languages around the world, if a singer (not the singer's _voice_ but the singer him/herself) is described by a voice type, then the description implies that the singer performs opera. On the other hand, if a singer's voice is described by a voice type, then there is no such implication. The editor above fails to make that distinction, yet a cursory review of the singers whoa are cited proves the convention: Celine Dion is not described as a "soprano": instead, her voice (or voice-type) is described as soprano. Timberlake's voice type is not mentioned in his Wiki article, but his would be a clear example of the conventional use of the term.

Accordingly, the article should be reworded to clarify three points: her voice type is a mezzo-soprano; she is not now an opera singer; but her stated goal is to become an opera singer. This rewording should be done in a NPOV manner. Oconnell usa (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Citation for use

"Katherine the great: Katherine Jenkins". The Independent. 1 November 2008.