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Revisionist history attempts by Dan Rather and friends[edit]

Read this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/dan-rather-still-wrong-after-all-these-years-1445295792 98.118.62.140 (talk) 13:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

That's a pretty nonsensical opinion piece that only echoes the equally nonsensical claims by the original group of right wing bloggers. Its reference to the CBS panel report as an "exhaustive, and ultimately devastating, independent review of the affair that would become known as “Rathergate” showed, the segment had a way of ignoring facts that subverted its viewpoint" is also nonsensical -- that panel report was highly criticized, and it was particularly devastatingly taken apart in this "review" in the New York Review of Books. The two people who headed up the panel; report, Dick Thornburgh and Lou Boccardi, took issue with the review, which led to this exchange that also showed how poorly the panel "investigated" matters. To this day, there still isn't any seriously substantiated evidence for forgery, and serious critiques like that in the NY Book Review, and this extensive Texas Monthly article from a few years back (which also revealed that the infamous "Buckhead" blogger didn't actually know anything at all about what he was posting about) have showed little reason to believe the forgery claims.
Wikipedia rules pretty much don't allow primary sources to be used, which means that Wikipedia articles are dependent on sources like the WSJ for entering content, however poorly researched (if researched at all) they might be. Years ago I tried to introduce old proportionally printed memos like this, but they were all removed. The same with military writing guides and references to how common, old office tech wasn't exactly all about typewriters. Whatever -- history, shmistory. -BC aka 209.6.92.99 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
That Seattle Times article debunking "Buckhead" overlooks something: as a lawyer, one of his specialties was authenticating questioned documents so in fact he did actually know what what he was posting about. That article was a hatchet job attacking his politics and says nothing about his qualifications as a document examiner. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Proof?[edit]

Your graphic showing how the text printed on a computer was very close to the text printed on the "forged" documents was very interesting.

I would expect the type faces to match. That is what using a defined type face is.

Someone back in England in 1931 spent a lot of time to pick characters, line widths, and extra details called serifs and character widths to to make this set of attractive characters.

Then along came typewriter manufactures who worked very hard to exactly copy this set of drawings into their keys. Likewise there were newspaper people that worked hard to exactly copy this set of characters into their type setting machines. Later computer people also worked very hard to exactly copy this set of characters, or this type face into their printers. Again this is what a defined type face is.

Now you seemed surprised they match. They are supposed to match. I would be very surprised if they did not match. Perhaps I am missing something but please tell me why this is proof of a forgery? Arydberg (talk) 11:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arydberg (talkcontribs) 11:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I found this which got my curiosity way up - http://www.martypearce.com/wordpress/about/ This woman describes herself thus: I am a certified forensic document examiner, with over 30 years experience in handwriting & typewriting identification. And guess where she got some training? The Institute of Graphological Science Workshop, Buckhead, GA 1993 Strange coincidence. I wonder if she is the mysterious Buckhead? I have emailed an inquiry. Txantimedia (talk) 18:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I just spoke to her on the phone. She didn't deny that she was Buckhead but suggested that I contact the FBI for assistance with typewriter fonts. Txantimedia (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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