Talk:Kothi (gender)

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I find it strange that kothi people could be described as being in a cult. What is that supposed to mean? Source? Blue Rasberry 04:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Me too. I'm moving it.·Maunus·ƛ· 23:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
You moved Kothi (cult) to Kothi (gender). I think that it should be moved to Kothi (sexual orientation) or redirect to Top,_bottom_and_versatile#Bottom, as I would describe the word as referring to a sexual role, or more generally just a word for "gay." Or perhaps this entry should be deleted for being a definition per WP:DICTIONARY. Could I ask why you think that kothi is a gender identity? Blue Rasberry 14:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
I moved it to (gender) to show that it is a term having to do with "gender and sexuality" broadly defined - I considered moving it to "Kothi (india)" - but that was too vague. Whether kothi identity is best defined a gender or sexual identity I don't think is possible to answer. Lawrence Cohen's article "“The Kothi Wars: AIDS Cosmopolitanism and the Morality of Classification,” in Vincanne Adams and Stacy Leigh Pigg, eds., Sex in Development: Science, Sexuality, and Morality in Global Perspective, is the only thing I have read about the term and he argues quite convincingly that it is an identity that has been constructed as a part of the AIDS/HIV debate to identify particularly Indian categories of sexual behavior, but at the same time it seems to be related to the Hijra concept which I guess is properly a gender identity. I will not object if you move it to a title you think is more suitable, anything but cult. I also don't think the article should be deleted - I am quite sure there is material to write a decent article further on.·Maunus·ƛ· 14:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Value of the Kothi Article[edit]

Admittedly, I spend most of my time focused on the Hijras of India. I have come across works including the Kothi as well, but often only as a way of better explaining the Hijras or in comparison to Hijras. Spotowski (talk) 02:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort to differentiate hijras and kothis. Do you have any sources for differentiating kothis from typical gay males? I thought "kothi" was the word for India's gay males seeking a bottom role. Blue Rasberry 16:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Lawrence Cohen's article "The Kothi Wars" describe thatthe word Kothi originally was used in the male prostitute environment of Chennai about male prostitutes that were "effeminate". Then the NAS network started promoting the terms Kothi and Panthi as indigenous indian categories of Male homosexual behavior using Kothi about men who were effeminate or passive homosexuals (i.e. receiving anal sex) and Panthi about men who were active, masculine penetrators of analsex. Many men who were classified as Panthi didn't think of them selves as homosexuals and often did not experience discrimination and lived family lives with female wives but engaging in male/male sex on the side. Kothis however were discriminated against and were associated with Hijras - while not being accepted as such by the Hijra community. I highly reccomend cohen's article - it gives a complete history of the use of the word. ·Maunus·ƛ·