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See as i am using wikipediafor the first time i dont know actually how to use it. And the other thing is that a Phd is done on a subject or issue which is untouched . I gve the references of the sites because i thought that on wikipedia web sites will be required . But if u see again there are refrences of a lots of books an articles also. And its a theory that Enlil was not actually a god . He was a king . as u know in old days the kings used to call them the gods. 182.177.248.119 (talk) 14:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I have removed the two web sites u mentioned and have put the book's refrences. As no articles have been written on the clan "LEEL" therefore u'll not find anything on google.182.177.248.119 (talk) 14:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Books are fine as references--just provide full information (author, title, publication year, and, ideally, an ISBN). But that still doesn't change the basic problem: the claim you are putting forward is simply unbelievable, and, as such, will need extremely extensive and high quality sources to verify. Specifically, you need to provide sources to verify that the people called "Leal" in Spain, Brazil, etc., actually have a historical connection to groups from India. I suppose it's possible that I could be proved wrong, and this claim actually is verified...but I simply cannot imagine how. Regarding Enlil, what you said here doesn't match what you put in the article--the article deals with Enlil as a Sumerian deity, not as a real historical figure. Also, our article on Enlil doesn't have even one claim that he is modeled on a real person. Again, it's okay to have the mythological origin, but we need to clearly distinguish that from the real history.

Finally, please note that I have request that this page be semi-protected so that you cannot edit it. You have broken WP:3RR. Normally this would result in an immediate block. But since your IP address changes, protecting the page is a more efficient solution. You need to stop reverting the changes to the article which make it conform with policy, and start finding actual sources that verify these claims. Since you've so far shown that you don't understand how our sourcing policy works, you may want to present the sources here first for review (and we can always ask other editors on our noticeboards if we need more help). Qwyrxian (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(after ec)Regarding your comment above: are you saying that no books have been written that focus on the Leal/Leel clan, or that they aren't even mentioned in other books? Because if the clan has never been discussed in reliable sources, it can't have an article on Wikipedia. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please imediately return the maintenance templates. You added only 1 source, and that source has only a title (you need full info, as I said). None of this solves the OR problem, the possibility that this is entirely a hoax, or the desperate need that this article has for more sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The historic relation is there. As u know the spanish and purtaguses ruled Indian sub continent for sometime. There they met with each other or probably some of the invaders stayed there. And iam not saying that no book has been written on Leel/Leal , i am just saying that u'll not find it on google . but they are in our libraries. While i have given many references with page no's and volume no's,,,,,,,,,,,,And i am trying to make it suitable for wikipedia. And another important thing is that stories about clans are very common in Pakistan . Such as many of ur pages contain information which has no reference at all. e.g Visit page Kharal. Actually u dont understand the trends in Pakistan . We can never satisfy u as we r very much backward in I.T. Please try to understand. 182.177.248.119 (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC) And u can ask me to put more references. But u can't say that my artical is totally wrong and a foolish thing182.177.248.119 (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC) And u r removing my word again and again...please dont do this,,,,,if u think reference is wrong,remove the reference only and ask to give the citation ,,,,,but please dont remve the whole thing ,,,thnx,,,,,ill try my best to improve it182.177.248.119 (talk) 15:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I just checked some of your references, and I've officially lost all faith in your edits. I can read p.72 of "Indian Serpent Lore" here, and it doesn't mention Neela, a paramount, or anyone living in a river. "The Times of Layyah" doesn't show up anywhere on the internet other than in this article--and while Pakistan may be "backwards in IT", if the book is so obscure that it doesn't even exist in basic records like Google Books, it is extremely dubious. The same is true for "The History of Bhakkar". At this point, once the article is semi-protected (or, if not, I'll request you/your range be blocked for edit warring) I will roll back all of your edits. I've asked another editor who's very good at Indian issues to come take a look as well this weekend. Qwyrxian (talk) 15:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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