Talk:List of Christian Universalists

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But how many of these people were really Universalists?[edit]

Hi Koavf, the substantial change and reformat noted. However,

  • (1) wouldn't chronological order be more useful than A-Z order in a history? ... suggestion.
  • (2) How many of these individuals were actually Universalists?
Name Lived Nationality Denomination Reliable Source?
Amalric of Bena 1100s – early 1200s French Roman Catholic Hosea Ballou claims Amalric was a Universalist, but on what evidence? ... can't find anything...
Coppin, RichardRichard Coppin 1500s or 1600s – 1660s English Anglican, later Presbyterian Ranter Yes
Didymus the Blind 309–395 Egyptian (Copt) ancient, Eastern Hosea Ballou II, but the context of Ballous' proof "At the time of the Lord's passion the devil alone was injured by losing all of the captives he was keeping." doesn't indicate Universal salvation does it?
Diodorus of Tarsus 300s–390 Syriac ancient, Eastern Hosea Ballou II claims, but cannot see a modern source identifies Diodorus as a Universalist. Is Giuseppe Simone Assemani 1728 describing Diodorus or quoting him?
Gregory of Nyssa 335–390 Anatolian ancient, Eastern very highly debatable - appears now that not. Ballou II and other Universalist Church writers' claims on Gregory have always been contested by Greek Orthodox writers.
Gregory Thaumaturgus, the Wonder Worker 213–270 Anatolian ancient, Eastern unlikely, evidence? .... just looked... only Thomas Allin (writer on Universalism), no source.
Julian of Norwich November 8, 1342 – 1416 English Roman Catholic Unfortunately just not the case. Even the Wikipedia article expresses only "maybe" "hope".
Lactantius 250–325 Berber ancient, Western not a believer in Universal reconciliation, only a supporter of the universal (multi-ethnic) vision of a Christian empire under Constantine.
Law, WilliamWilliam Law 1686 – April 9, 1761 English Anglican Claimed by Universalist Thomas Whittemore to be a Universalist, seems possible.
Leade, JaneJane Leade 1624–1704 English Behemenist, later Philadelphian yes
Mack, AlexanderAlexander Mack July 27, 1679 – January 18, 1735 German Reformed, later Brethren/German Baptist Possible. But source still needed.
Marcellus of Ancyra 300s–374 Anatolian ancient, Eastern Eusebius Cont. Mar. ii. 4 only refers to Acts 3:21. Universalist J. W. Hanson (1899) misread this.
Macrina the Younger 327–390 Anatolian ancient, Eastern Seems to be vaguely correct.
Origen 185–254 Egyptian ancient, Eastern now known not to have been a Universalist, see New Westminster Handbook on Origen.
Pamphilus of Caesarea 200s–309 Lebanese ancient, Eastern Defended Origen, but since Origen was not a Universalist, neither was Pamphilius.
Pantaenus 100s–216 Egyptian ancient, Eastern not a Universalist, J. W. Hanson claims but offers no evidence.
Pico della Mirandola, GiovanniGiovanni Pico della Mirandola February 24, 1463 – November 17, 1494 Italian Roman Catholic Firstly reaction was that unlikely. Kieszkowski attributes to him a doctrine of universal revelation, not universal salvation. But on investigation, possible. Needs a clearer source.
Pordage, JohnJohn Pordage 1607–1681 English Anglican, later Philadelphian appears yes
Ramsay, Andrew MichaelAndrew Michael Ramsay January 9, 1686 – May 6, 1743 Scottish Quite likely at this period. Source?
Theodore of Mopsuestia 350–428 Syriac Assyrian Church of the East sorry, not a Universalist, and Hosea Ballou II doesn't provide evidence.
Potter, ThomasThomas Potter 1689–1777 American Baptist, later Universalist Church of America Universalist minister
Titus of Bostra 300s–378 Syrian ancient, Eastern Hanson here is correct, evidence cited does appear to show Titus of Bostra to have taught that all immortal souls in the "pit of torment" will eventually be saved. But not sure that "Universalist clergy" tag on article is not anachronistic.
Tyrannius Rufinus 345–410 Italian ancient, Western Not immediately/easily evident. Better source?
Winstanley, GerrardGerrard Winstanley 1609 – September 10, 1676 English Digger and Quaker Yes

And, please take this in the right spirit, it's great to add new categories, as here using the hotcat tool but, it should be cats where there's already a decent modern ref source supporting that cat. Which in the case of Sergei Bulgakov 5 minutes research showed there wasn't.In ictu oculi (talk) 09:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I seriously question In ictu oculi conclusion about Origen that "now known not to have been a Universalist, see New Westminster Handbook on Origen." I've never heard of "New Westminster Handbook on Origen", only The Westminster Handbook on Origen, edited by John Anthony McGuckin, (Westminster John Knox Press, 2004), on which a google partial preview can be accessed here.
From what I read in the entry "Universalism" by Elizabeth A. Dively Lauro, the final conclusion is that in fact Origen IS a universalist. I shall quote her last paragraph in full here:
"A modified universalism was clearly Origen's fundamental soteriological belief, and though he manifested several internal doubts and qualifications in his exposition, probably because the common opinion of the church of his day was against him on many aspects of the idea, he nevertheless presents a coherent theological narrative, though one that was not consistent at every instance, and that gave his friends and critics in later ages room for further controversy on the subject (see Origenist crises)" (s.v. "Universalism", The Westminster Handbook on Origen, p. 214).
The article presents a lot of references from Origen's writings that supports this conclusion. If there are no objections, I move that Origen's name be readded to the list of Christian Universalists.
Ngawuraje (talk) 06:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)