Talk:List of Jim Crow law examples by state/Archive 1

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Creation of Page

The contents of this page has been separated from the page Jim Crow laws. It needs references, a thorough copy edit and a formatting edit too. It also needs an introduction. Major Bloodnok (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It definitely needs an introduction that explains what a Jim Crow law is, with a link to the larger article, and that this phenomenon is apparently only found in the United States; it's unlikely that people from other countries will have mastered this locution. Is it that no other country passed such laws (unlikely) or simply that they're not called "Jim Crow laws" anywhere else? Accounting4Taste:talk 21:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

South Africa had Apartheid laws which are similar to Jim Crow laws. 75.76.253.58 (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I've now added an introduction; leaning heavily on the main Jim Crow page. I've started to look for references for the laws themselves. Someone has leaned heavily on this page (click on the map), copying the laws and the commentary wholesale. I'm not sure of the legal status of text from the laws themselves, but copying text from another site is not on, and is in breach of copyright. I'll have a quick look at removing anything except for the laws themselves. There is nothing wrong with using quotations of the laws, but not anything else.

This leads on to the next question concerning this page, namely what should it contain? Every Jim Crow law, or just some examples from each state? I don't think we're every going to have every law as that would be nigh on impossible. Major Bloodnok (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

On looking at the page more closely, if I removed the entries copied from the page above, then we'd lose most of the page. I'll wait for other editors to pitch in. Major Bloodnok (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

You've really done a good job on making it clear what's going on here for non-American users with the new lede. Any problems I had are more than taken care of; thank you. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comments. I would love to claim the work is all mine, but I've used plenty of information from Jim Crow laws. Major Bloodnok (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems like the Deep Southern states that had segregation in every aspect of life have a paucity of references to that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.246.61 (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Page move

I've moved the page to the current title "List of Jim Crow law examples by State" because that more fully reflects what is in the article. I think it's highly unlikely to ever achieve a complete list of Jim Crow laws because while there will be many laws that are straightforwardly "Jim Crow", many may be cited as such and exist in a grey area. Major Bloodnok (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Not Jim Crow Laws

If Jim Crow Laws are laws intended to segregate African Americans (as the article's intro suggests) then several of the examples on this page are not Jim Crow Laws. These include laws discriminating against Chinese Amercians, laws requiring proficiency in English to vote, and laws protecting African Americans.--nesparr203.134.131.118 (talk) 11:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Additionally, under "New York", it states that the laws requiring English proficiency in order to vote "had the potential to affect Jewish immigrants who spoke Yiddish". Wouldn't the law also affect Polish, Italian, Chinese, Dutch or any other non-English speaking immigrant? I'm going to make the change. HandsomeSam (talk) 01:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Other laws besides marriage

This page seems to focus largely on marriages between whites and non-whites. Not that I don't recognize other acts of discrimination listed here, but many of the states had other types of Jim Crow laws that should be covered. I don't have a source on me, but I remember a news broadcast a few months ago claiming that in Tampa, Florida, a white man and a black man couldn't even be in the same car. There are some other equally ridiculous ones, but I can't think of them right now. ----DanTD (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Request To Edit This Page

I would like to edit this page. My Political Science Class at Lansing Community College is doing a project where we have to edit pages of Wikipedia by adding more examples and credible sources. I saw that both Arkansas and Kentucky had very few examples of the laws on this page. I have created two time lines of the laws in each state. I would love to share my information on this page to make it more informational. Here is part of my time line for the Jim Crow Laws of Arkansas :

1866: Education

No African American or racially mixed citizen would be allowed to attend any public education building aside from the one reserved for "colored persons."

1866: Miscegenation

Repeals or amendments of common laws concerning interracial marriages between whites and African Americans or racially mixed citizens would be prohibited.

1873: Barred Segregation of Public Carriers and Accommodations

It was unlawful for railroads, steamboats, stage coaches, or other public carriers to refuse to provide same accommodations for those who are paying the same fare, however differing in race. This law also applied to any public housing, entertainment, or restaurants.

1873: Barred School Segregation

It was considered unlawful to refuse to provide similar or equal accommodations in an educational system of any age rank.

1884: Miscegenation

All marriages of white persons with African Americans or racially mixed citizens were declared illegal.

1891: Railroads

Railroad companies and their employees had the power to assign passengers to what they considered the proper seat or proper waiting room for each race. The penalties for the person being assigned to not follow directions are that they would be fined between $10 and $200. Employees who decided not to assign a passenger to the correct waiting room or seat were to be fined $25. Railway companies not following the law would be fined between $100 and $500.

References

Move?

Is there any reason this can't be moved to List of Jim Crow laws. It seems pretty extensive, not a list of mere examples (even if it is incomplete as of now). And since all the laws were state-level of lower, do we really need to say "by State"? There's really no other way to list them. 216.8.135.251 (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

And really that should be a lowercase S in "State". EvergreenFir (talk) 16:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Details

This is an amazing page, the only thing that it needs in my opinion is details on the laws on when they were repealed listed with the law, which will be useful for readers in figuring out how long the laws lasted in each state to get a clearer picture of the regional variations. Stidmatt (talk) 17:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Restructuring

I propose that we fully restructure this article to make it uniform. We could copy the French version of this article that I have helped put together, it is a lot more complete and structured.

Hypersite (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

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