Talk:List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times/Archive 6

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Subaru Impreza

Worth a footnote that this is the fastest time by a 4-door? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.220.26 (talk) 17:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Why the Impreza is back on the production models section, when clearly it's not the right place for it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamperesuperstars (talk • contribs) 15:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Done by Philonetic (talk) 09:29, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Viper ACR

Next ACR needs the new viper competition crate motor installed (800hp/695ft-lbs.) power band to 7000rpms, plus lighter, the new traction control, gearing. Can crush the euro trash exotics that are 5times the amount. :) viper acr-x wiki page says that it did the ring in 7:03.058, why isn't listed under non street vehicles????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.160.109 (talk) 23:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

About SR8

I'm not going to edit anything but it seems like calling the SR8 a production car or a street car is just flat out absurd. Any car that takes 45 minutes and a laptop to start up, requires special fuel that you cannot buy at a normal filling station, and requires engine rebuilds after 30 hours of use is NOT a street car or a production car. Nobody would ever make that a daily driver, and I can't find production figures but how many did they make? 10? 30? Viper has sold tens of thousands of Vipers. Heck, in 2010 alone they produced 50 of the Viper ACR-Xs.. a specialized track version of the car even more limited than the regular ACR. Give props to the Apollo for being a super fast street car, but I think they've only made about 45 of those. I'm not a Viper fanboy, it's just that it makes the title of "fastest production car" completely meaningless if any operation can produce a racing car that NOBODY would EVER drive to work or the grocery store and that they have NO INTENTION of ever putting into mass production, make 2 of them so they can claim that it is not a prototype, barely squeak by the absolute minimum standards for street legality, and then steal the record. ANYONE taking one look at the Radical SR8 knows that it is not a production car, it is not a street car, it is a race car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.36.40.3 (talk) 10:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC) --Ryan (not a registered editor)

Edit request on 14 April 2012

The information about the Corvette ZR1 is incorrect. The car was NOT in fact equipped with a roll cage. And the "super-slick track DOT competition tires" is a gross over exaggeration at best. The tires are in fact the same compound as found on the Porsche 911 GT2 RS, and Porsche 911 GT3 RS, yet neither of their descriptions mention "super-slick track DOT competition tires". The specs for all versions of Michilen Pilot Sport Cup tires can be found here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+Cup http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+Cup+ZP http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+Cup%2B+%2F+N-Spec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yKb6iSWc0k This is the video that "Confirmed" the car having a roll cage? Starting at 2:34 into the video it is stated the car is stock except for safety equipment. At NO TIME is it mentioned there is a roll cage in the car.

SteveC68 (talk) 02:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Partly done: I removed the information concerning a roll cage since it's uncited, but the first suggestion appears to be original research. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Done — Slicks are defined as "a type of tire that has no tread or a smooth tread", the multi-surface Michelin Pilot Cups do not fall into this category and cannot be defined as slicks without redefining the word itself along with adding the description to every other vehicle equipping the same tire. --Philonetic (talk) 04:20, 08 May 2013 (EST)

Edit request on 29 June 2012

Add the R8 E-tron in the list Lap time was: 8.9099 mins Driver : Markus Winkelhock Date: Unknown Press release: 29 June 2012

Record for the fastest production electric car. Will only be on sale from the end of the year thou.

Link: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/29/audi-r8-e-tron-laps-ring-in-record-setting-8-09-celebrates-sil/#continued

Blackwolfsa (talk) 20:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Did you come here via Jalopnik, perhaps? :-)

I'll add it now. bobrayner (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Done  TOW  talk  04:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 July 2012

| Dodge Viper ACR-X (2010) | Dominik Farnbacher | 14 September 2011 | SRT conducted test. Video and manufacturer confirmed. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup R compound track DOT competition tires. TTAC article. Chrysler press release [1] [2]

Rayfull (talk) 13:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 July 2012

Bad informations on this lap time record, it's the Viper GTS ACR, because the GTR ACR does not exist, and it's the lap time of the Dodge Viper ACR-X (2011 version, not the ACR which is the 2010 version. Not the same lap time!

Here the modifications :

| Dodge Viper ACR-X (2010) | Dominik Farnbacher | 14 September 2011 | SRT conducted test. Video and manufacturer confirmed. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup R compound track DOT competition tires. TTAC article. Chrysler press release [3] [4]

Rayfull (talk) 13:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: With 4 days and ten edits you can edit it because your account will be confirmed. You could also ask at help desk. I am just trying to clear the request board is all.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 July 2012

Motoharu Kurosawa has several records on here, yet they don't link to his entry. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.20.73 (talk) 08:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

... malfeasance

... peer-review and post-segmentation of the Nordschleife lap time component for road-going vehicles, is an abject failure. The Radical SR8 is no more a contemporary, road-going production vehicle, than was Stephan Bellof's 956. And, everybody knows it. Your disclaimer (e.g., verbatim) "...Both 'production' and 'street legal' vehicles are not easy to define," constitutes a woefully insufficient apology which does little more than underline abject subjectivity, in tandem with the unqualified nature of the people who've abused their authority maintaining this page, run amok ensuring racing cars always somehow stay, atop the production car category. If you people can't rise to an intellectual plateau necessary, to muster scholastic objectivity sufficient, to perform segmentation, in adequately differentiating purpose built racing cars from road-going passenger vehicles, then you've got have no business editing this page. Specter looms large you people need to be thrown off this page, and replaced by those who can -- QED, asj. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.254.132 (talk) 05:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The SR8 is road legal, search the Internet for pictures of it and you'll see plenty of cars with UK number plates on them. No reason why you couldn't drive it on the road. 87.112.174.9 (talk) 11:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

... Re road legality: The question is not just whether the nameplate is street legal in Europe, the question is whether the car that made the attempt was street legal. According to EU rules, a car with modifications that are not covered by the original homologation, and that were not later approved by an accredited technical service is no longer street legal. These modifications can be as small as using a non-approved seat or tire. Theoretically, an expired bandage in a first aid kit can render a car illegal - according to EU rules. This may sound ridiculous, but people have been fined for that. Non-typeapproved tires or bodykits definitely would render a car non-streetlegal. BsBsBs (talk) 06:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Really? any form of non-homologated modification makes a car illegal in the EU? Considering the huge modified car market in Europe and the amount of modified cars that pass the relevant road worthiness tests in their countries, I doubt this. --Sennen Goroshi ! (talk) 06:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I would love to see evidence for this hardline stance on homologation. Certainly, important parts have to be approved - if your lights aren't CE-marked, then in principle they're not road-legal. But where do you draw the line? There's certainly no homologation or CE approval paperwork for the new badges that I stuck on the back of my car - does this mean that it's no longer road-legal? BsBsBs, could you provide a link to the "EU" rules which you have in mind?

Most European countries have regular checks to see whether a vehicle is safe, legal, & roadworthy. For cars, it's often an annual check. (With the UK example, it's an MOT test). If a car passes checks like that and is legal to sell for road use, I'm happy to consider it road-legal. bobrayner (talk) 10:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I see most of the above as irrelevant anyway. The production car list is for unmodified production cars. I would not consider any car that had any modification that affects performance to be acceptable on that list. The addition of a fire-extinguisher or race harness would be acceptable as it does not affect the performance, but the addition of a cage (improving the chassis stiffness) or a different seat (changing the weight) should make the car ineligible for the production car list. --Sennen Goroshi ! (talk) 05:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any reason for removing the SR8 from the production car list. It fulfills the criteria required to be considered a production car. It is sold legally as a road vehicle. It is easy to differentiate from track only cars, by the fact that you are able to register it as a road car, it passes an MOT and there are many examples of it wearing number plates (something that only a road legal car can do) Unless someone can show that the example that lapped the ring was modified or that the SR8 is not a road legal production car, I see no reason for this discussion to continue. --Sennen Goroshi ! (talk) 05:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The Nuerburgring is a public road. What is legal in Germany is not a matter of consensus, it is a matter of law, and defined here: http://www.stvzo.de/stvzo/inhalt.htm . The law, which is pretty much the same in all of Europe, is quite specific in what can be added to or removed from a car. Many parts added to a car must have a type approval specifically for that car (ECE, not CE), Passing MOT, TUEV or similar is not the only test for road legality. The car must be MAINTAINED in that road legal state.BsBsBs (talk) 20:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Porsche 918 Spyder

I took the liberty of removing the Porsche 918 Spyder entry. The entry is unsourced. Even if sourced, it would not meet the specifications of this list. According to a Porsche spokesman, it was no official attempt, and the time was “timed by hand." There is no official cockpit video, and the driver “wasn’t Walter Röhrl, it was a test driver.” Porsche most likely will soon be back with proper timing equipment and a camera. With the 918 not in production yet, there are doubts whether the car is a "production, street-legal vehicle." If the prototype used would already have an ECWVTA or an ECSSTA, then this would fulfill the requirements of this list. BsBsBs (talk) 06:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC) _______________________________________________________________ 6:57 ist a full lap, Porsche had an one our exclusive session. Video confirmed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc9UUPNaOzE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.248.96 (talk) 09:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2012

I would like to add fresh new time from reliable source.

It is a BTG time of new BMW M135i (8 min 5 secs) driven by Pavel Janda, editor-in-chief of Autoforum.cz magazine.

Video of this drive is available at http://www.autoforum.cz/bleskovky/vyzkouseli-jsme-bmw-m135i-na-nordschleife-slape-na-ni-jako-hodinky-video/

I hope I am independent, I am just fan of this great car.

Thanks

Robert

Roviklan (talk) 18:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: - Forums are almost never reliable sources. This case is no different. Also, please make your request in a change X to Y format. Vacation^nine 06:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 December 2012

Ring time for 2013 JDM / 2014 USDM Nissan GTR is 7:18.6

Source http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36CEnanlMM See time code 1:38 Simonlok (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

•  Not done Youtube is notconsidered a reliable source. Pol430 talk to me 23:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

False Tire Information Edit Request on 21 Dec 2012

Multiple cars using the "Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure" have the incorrect adjective of "super-slick". This needs to be changed to "semislick" or removed completely.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure tires are neither slick nor super-slick. A slick tire is one without tread. Picture of tire in question: (Notice that there IS tread) www.carid.com/michelin-tires/pilot-sport-cup-zp-run-flat-355608.html

According to Michilen's website this tire has a "semislick outer tread and a wet-styled innertread".

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-selector/category/ultra-high-performance-sport/pilot-sport-cup/tire-details (click on "Read more information"). This text can also be found here: www.carid.com/michelin-tires/pilot-sport-cup-zp-run-flat-355608.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbmonkey (talk • contribs) 19:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Done — Slicks are defined as "a type of tire that has no tread or a smooth tread", not a "semi-slick outer tread", the multi-surface Michelin Pilot Sport Cup ZP does not fall into this category and cannot be defined as slick without redefining the word itself along with adding the description to every other vehicle equipping the same tire. --Philonetic (talk) 04:20, 08 May 2013 (EST)