Talk:List of Ottoman Empire territories

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Dominated?[edit]

What exactly is understood by dominated? Where they had any influence? This term is very broad, and clearly not neutral. Crimea was autonomous. Moldova and Wallachia paid tribute to the Sublime Porte, but were never in the Empire (the Sultan had no power, the army was not restricted, religion was not imposed, foreign relations were allowed, etc). If we go by tribute or vassalship, well, In the Hundred Years War, the English king was a vassal of the French King. Is it normal to show England as part of France?! And I see some flaws in the dates...

Indeed, this article doesn't seem to make any difference between basic notions such as independence, autonomy, vassality or pashaluk. Strongly POV--Alex:Dan 11:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Disgusting[edit]

Could someone please help me clean up this article and set up at least some sort of criteria for the territories? --PaxEquilibrium 20:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

What's there to fix? It all seem wrong and if someone like me would try to fix it, they'll block me. As a hint: Moldavia and Wallachia were not counted as conquered countries, but only as vassals, which means they were not part of the Ottoman Empire. That is, if we are to believe the treaties between the Porte and the Two Principalities. Additionally, the period in which they were completely independent from the Porte varies a lot, but I can tell you that it did not happen in 1412. It seems that this article has been written by people with complete lack of knowledge and respect for the subject. --Thus Spake Anittas 15:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, see below. Also someone will block you if you try to fix what the..??? --PaxEquilibrium 12:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal[edit]

I agree with the complaints above. What does "dominated" mean? The material here has use but should be merged with (moved to) Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire and Vassal and tributary states of the Ottoman Empire. — AjaxSmack 05:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Second. --PaxEquilibrium 12:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I support your suggestion. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed --Alex:Dan 21:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree an support your suggestion. Mirc mirc 17:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Who is going to perform the task of adding apples (Subdivisions) and oranges (States) by moving a ""territorial list"" on a """administrative structure""". It seems, the people who vote on this proposal did not gave enough consideration on what they are voting for. :-)) Territory - Administrative are two different beasts. --Rateslines 13:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Think again: the influence of the Otoman Empire was extended over both its vilayets/elayets/sanjaks/pashaluks (subdivisions) and tributary/vassal states... --Alex:Dan 20:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it should be merged, but it needs to be modified. "Palestine" was not a country in 1917 and still is not. There was no state there until 1948 when Israel was created. Jordan and Syria and Lebanon were likewise not independent until many years later. Perhaps a table can list the political status of each territory that was freed. [[Mewnews (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)]]

Suggestion[edit]

Can I make a suggestion? I believe the territories should be listed following the cronological order they were incorporated into the Empire (instead of alphabethical). When people look after lists of conquered territories, they are usually preoccupied with researching on the stages of the growth of the Empire, and, in such cases, a chronological order comes out much more practical. I could take the time to put it on chronological order, myself, if you agree to my suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diplodoco (talkcontribs) 21:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

A mistake on the graph[edit]

Serbia became part of the Ottoman Empire in 1459; the graph begins some time in the 1300s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.132.118 (talk) 08:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible errors in the list[edit]

I think the list should be reviwed by an expert. Some flaws I've seen are as follows:

  • Europe: The parts of present day Romania (like Wallacia) are given as tributary states which is realistic. But then, Ukraina which is further away is given as a directly ruled state. I think it must also been a tributary territory of Cossacks.
  • Asia: Two galleys to Aceh does not mean that Aceh was a part of Ottoman Empire. Also it is claimed that Kelantan in Malesia was a part of Ottoman Empire for 182 years. I find this quite hard to believe. On the other hand, I can't see the names of Armenia and Azerbaycan which were parts of Ottoman Empire in the early 17th century .
  • Africa: It is claimed that Sudan was a part of Ottoman Empire. I don't think that Anglo Egyptian expedition to Sudan makes Sudan an Ottoman territory. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't know much about the status of the European territories, but the notion that Aceh and Kelantan were in any sense part of the Ottoman Empire is completely delusional. Unless someone can convincingly explain this delusion to me in the next seven days, I will delete them from the list. Mrrhum (talk) 03:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Aden and Yemen[edit]

Yemen andAden have been listed as separate items. Isn't Aden a part of Yemen ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

How come Georgia is on Europe while Abkhazia is on Asia?[edit]

I know the disputes on where the Eurasia is divided, but in any case, Abkhazia to be on Europe if Georgia is there, though opposite may not be true. Cyprus is another tragedy in this list. How come an island closer to African mainland be on Europe? Politics must not interfere with the reality. Especially in a free dictionary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.167.198.135 (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Eastern Thrace and Anatolia[edit]

Just because they're part of modern-day Turkey doesn't mean that they're still Ottoman Empire territories, so I changed the dates of possession to the de jure end of the Ottoman Empire, 1923. MechaChrist (talk) 20:06, 23 August 2011 (UTC)