Talk:List of earthquakes in 2024

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Map

Need help fixing dot colors and locations away from the eastern hemisphere. Borgenland (talk) 13:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why?

hello, i know this is a pretty dumb question but why don’t we go back from, “See 2024 ———— earthquake” to like we used to do in 2021? Nillinolovesfortnite (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The decision to remove descriptions in Notes was to combat the excessive citations and article length in List of earthquakes in 2023. The page was too large and exceeded Wikipedia's template size limit so content needed to be cut. I'm not sure why the editors active on this page decided to adopt the practise into this page. I would like to also read some description summary; this page doesn't have the issue 2023 had. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 11:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of earthquakes in 2024 by USGS

Considering change the page title/move to "List of earthquakes in 2024 by USGS" if wanted to add exclusivity to USGS only. EdhyRa (talk) 06:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By your logic, we do that for every List of earthquakes in [Year] article; a ridiculous thing. If your sole intention is to include this M6.1 reported by USGS into this list, that's not helping Wikipedia anyways. We'd have to revisit BMKG's catalog to include entries for M6+ into the list; we'd have to do that for every available seismic observatory where data is available.

However, you raise a good question for why Wikipedia only adheres to the USGS entries. As far as I know, the USGS is the most accessible source for earthquake information due to its plentiful resources and interactive website. It's also in English so no surprise English Wikipedia has been sticking to it. It's earthquake information website is well established for the better part of the last 20 years so it's seen as an authoritative and familiar reference. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 06:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Include 6.1M Sawu Sea earthquake is not my sole intention. If there are >6.0M reported by other agencies around the world apart from USGS, then we need to include it, it is not a 'ridiculous thing' as you said, it is necessary.

If we need to revisit BMKG and other agencies catalog to see that, then we have to. Sure, it gonna takes time, but I believe wikipedia is not in-hurry. Also, if in the end, there are missed, then so be it, let them hide in the past, until the future uncover it, or may lost forever. Not all information are include in wikipedia anyway – we do our best.

Also, didn't only using USGS, meaning that this page did not cite secondary sources to meet WP:N? The other country agencies, like BMKG, etc. may have less technological advancement than USGS, but ignoring them as they recorded >6,0M is not an answer at all. EdhyRa (talk) 07:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanuatu region

I think the Vanuatu region – as there are no wp page about Vanuatu region – is more referred to Vanuatu subduction zone rather than the conutry Vanuatu. I couldn't find map of Vanuatu territorial waters on wikipedia, but from this source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exclusive-Economic-Zone-EEZ-and-shelf-waters-to-200-m-depth-of-Vanuatu-Source-Sea_fig1_320246113, compared to interactive map, the epicenter is unclear and may located on Fiji territorial waters instead. EdhyRa (talk) 07:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity on inclusion criteria

I apologize if this can be found elsewhere, but I looked around and couldn’t find it. The page’s text states that "Only earthquakes of magnitude 6 or above are included, unless they result in significant damage and/or casualties." What is the cutoff for what is considered "significant damage" here?

I ask because I was considering including the 4.8-magnitude 2024 New Jersey earthquake in the list, but I refrained because it didn’t seem to me to meet those criteria. There were some notable examples of buildings that faced significant damage, but the number of such buildings was small (and no casualties). However, the also 4.8-magnitude earthquake on January 3 described as in "Indonesia, West Java offshore, 44 km (27 mi) southwest of Pelabuhanratu" lists the damages as "Four homes collapsed; 17 others and three schools damaged in the Lebak, Sukabumi, and Bogor areas." If that counts as "significant damage," then perhaps the 2024 New Jersey earthquake should be included, too.

For point of discussion, the page lists the following as impacts of the 2024 New Jersey earthquake:

The USGS estimated that the earthquake was felt by about 42 million people in the area.
The earthquake interrupted a meeting of the Security Council on the Israel–Hamas war at the United Nations Headquarters in Manhattan.
Four three-story houses on Seventh Avenue in Newark, New Jersey, were damaged. Three of the houses were "partially toppled" and were subsequently condemned.
The upper portion of the historic, 264-year old Col. John Taylor's Grist Mill collapsed, falling into a road.
Gas leaks were reported in Rockland County, New York, and an administrative building in Morristown, New Jersey.
Water mains broke in Essex County and Morris County.
A vehicle was damaged after falling into a sinkhole.
The Federal Aviation Administration completely halted flights at Newark Liberty International Airport, Philadelphia International Airport, and John F. Kennedy International Airport. Arrivals into Baltimore/Washington International, LaGuardia, and Teterboro Airports were delayed. The air traffic control tower at Newark Liberty International Airport was also evacuated. Five flights bound for Newark were diverted to Lehigh Valley International Airport in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
Many government buildings across New Jersey and New York temporarily closed.

To me, that seems on par with "Four homes collapsed; 17 others and three schools damaged in the Lebak, Sukabumi, and Bogor areas."

Moreover, other sub-6.0-magnitude entries that it seems on par with include:

"Indonesia, Central Sulawesi, 92 km (57 mi) east-northeast of Poso" where "Several homes collapsed in Tojo Una-Una Regency."
"Turkey, Adıyaman, 16 km (9.9 mi) west-northwest of Sincik" where "One person injured, one home collapsed and many others damaged in the Akçadağ-Malatya area."
"Indonesia, South Kalimantan, 22 km (14 mi) northeast of Martapura" where "Many homes damaged in Banjar, including some with collapsed roofs or ceilings. One school also damaged in Banjarmasin."
"Peru, Lima, 13 km (8.1 mi) north-northwest of Chancay" where "Ten homes collapsed in Rimac, two homes seriously damaged in Huaral, and landslides blocked roads in the epicentral area."
"Indonesia, West Java offshore, 80 km (50 mi) west-southwest of Pelabuhanratu" where "Three homes collapsed in the Pandeglang-Cianjur area and many others damaged in Lebak."
"Kyrgyzstan, Issyk-Kul, 29 km (18 mi) north-northwest of Cholpon-Ata" where "One person injured[56] and many buildings damaged in Almaty, Kazakhstan."
"China, Yunnan, 25 km (16 mi) west southwest of Zhaotong" where "Two barns collapsed and rockfalls occurred in Ludian County."

I think my point has been sufficiently made. I don’t want to add the quake here if it shouldn’t be here, but is there a clear set of criteria we can look at? Should it be added here, given all of these that are here? Phatmatt12188 (talk) 00:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The earthquake has been added and deleted back and forth over the past days. Personally I’d support the earthquake to be at least mentioned in this article but since no consensus has been reached, for now I’d stick with the last version before your edit. Borgenland (talk) 01:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I figured I wasn’t the only one to have this thought, hence why I didn’t just add it. That said, we need to have a discussion about whether it should be included. I was hoping my post/comment here might start such a discussion (unless it’s already going somewhere else and I’m just missing it – sorry if so!) Phatmatt12188 (talk) 00:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There’s the discussion in the article itself that is ongoing about its notability. Borgenland (talk) 09:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, considering the magnitude requirements here, should the title really be "List of major earthquakes in 2024"? Tduk (talk) 20:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted an edit that cited a source other than USGS

With the two recent Taiwan aftershocks, I realized that the values for both the magnitude and depth released by the USGS [1] [2] vary (in my opinion by a notable margin) from those released by Taiwan's Central Weather Administration [3] [4].

Seeing this, I decided to add the values given by Taiwan's Central Weather Administration on top of the current USGS values until a single value was agreed upon (if at all). @Borgenland has reverted this edit, for no other apparent reason than to stick with the USGS as the sole source of information for this Wikipedia article.

I understand the reasoning behind using USGS as a "default" source of earthquake info, especially for countries that do not posses the resources needed to match the USGS. However, Taiwan is by no means that kind of country, and in which case I'd like to argue that using domestic earthquake measurements might prove to be more accurate due to said country specifically specializing in detecting earthquakes within their own borders.

Even if that is not the case, I do not see a reason to stubbornly stick to USGS as the sole source of earthquake info for this article. If there is an adequate reason as to why this article is sticking to USGS, I would love to hear it and possibly change my mind. Horizon206 (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is the consensus established at the very beginning throughout this article by veteran editors in this project and reflects the need to avoid confusion over conflicting numbers. If you have complaints about this system, please contact other experienced and interested parties such as @Dora the Axe-plorer @Quake1234@Filipinohere@Sadustu Tau and see if you can change their mind. Borgenland (talk) 05:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should i create?

Hello, a magnitude 6.3 earthquake in Ehime, Japan from 2024, has Wikipedia pages in languages such as Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. Should we create a page for the 2024 Ehime earthquake? Bakhos2010 (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Each of the projects has their own requirements for notability. For the English Wikipedia, an event like this should satisfy both the general notability guideline and the one specifically for events. It looks marginal to me, as the damage does not appear to be severe, although 16 people were injured, so it's not clear cut. Mikenorton (talk) 18:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that would be a good idea, i’ve seen very not severe earthquakes have their own page so i mean, why not! Zksz (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

27.04.2024 earthquake

shouldn’t we make it just a wikipedia page because it’s kinda long, i dunno i feel like it should be a wiki page. Zksz (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, if that earthquake had happened in an English-speaking country it would have been an article within hours. There might have been arguments on notability but it would probably be kept if nominated for deletion, from past experience. We have guidelines but they're not always applied equally across the project. Mikenorton (talk) 09:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Landslide

Today a landslide occurred in Papua New Guinea, killing 300 people and leaving thousands missing. This source says that an earthquake days earlier may have caused the landslide. The USGS reported that on 18 May, a deep magnitude 4.5 earthquake occurred close to where the landslide struck. Should we add the earthquake to this article and list the landslide fatalities as indrectly related to the earthquake? Quake1234 (talk) 11:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. On the other hand there was a mine nearby per [[5]] and as someone who lives in a seismically active country where mining is a hot issue, it may be also that. Also need to verify additional circumstances such as weather. Borgenland (talk) 11:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless reliable sources establishes an explicit connection between the two, leave the landslide out of this list Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 15:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Japan (8 August)

The foreshock is not registering an intensity despite being strong. Are there bugs? Borgenland (talk) 08:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's a system fault. They've had similar problems before.

Per ANSS event page:

"This event is showing as two events on our website. There is only one event a magnitude 7.1. The M6.9 is a duplicate that we are working to remove from the list." Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 08:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]