Talk:List of recurring characters on seaQuest DSV

Where's Darwin? 24.64.174.133 16:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit war

I'm inclined to agree with Kyle C Haight. TTN says it can be adequately covered in the main article yet undertakes no effort to start up a discussion on how to proceed. Simply blanking and redirecting is not the way to go. Please stop blanking the page so some constructive work can be done.--Fogeltje (talk) 20:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Citations

I think it would be useful to start making episode citations for the facts named with the characters.--Fogeltje (talk) 11:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Protected

I've currently protected several pages, including this one, for three days in response to edit wars over non-free image use. Please try to resolve these issues through discussion and the dispute resolution process. Relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Edit-warring and elsewhere; please participate there instead of risking further page locks and user blocks. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Image removals

Having per-character images on lists such as this has been deprecated for a long time now. Wikipedia:NFC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles was created in part to outline current practice in this regard, and to clarify Wikipedia's handling of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria #3 and #8. This list is out of compliance with the guideline and policy and needs to have the images removed. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreeed, obviously. HiDrNick! 17:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Criteria #3 is adhered to, They didn't shoot promo pictures of recurring characters, let alone group photos of recurring characters and it is a Low resolution screen cap, both of these facts meet #3A and 3B. As for #8 "Significance", learning who is who is the point of the article. To quote "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic". Seeing who it is is much better than giving a 2 paragraph description of the person (A picture is worth a thousand words) and if these were individual pages this wouldn't be a problem. If they were made into seperat page then people would be complaining about notability. Dr. Stantz (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article after article after article akin to this one has had images removed. 23 fair use images on this article can not be justified as "minimal" usage. The argument that since their are no group photos, it's ok to break our policies and guidelines is simply not acceptable. The images in the article must be trimmed in accordance with Wikipedia:NFC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles. I recommend trimming to only the top 3-4 most important recurring characters. If this isn't done, somebody not familiar with the series will do it. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

With no discussion for two months, I'm removing the images again per policy and guideline. The indiscriminate use of per character images in lists such as this is not supported. See similar discussion at Talk:Supporting_Harry_Potter_characters#Overuse_of_fair_use_images and Talk:List_of_James_Bond_henchmen_in_Die_Another_Day#Fair_use_image_removal (and observe that fair use images remain removed or tightly limited on those two articles). --Hammersoft (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• The edit war at Main Characters of seaQuest DSV season 1 and Main Characters of seaQuest DSV season 2 needs to stop. I recommended trimming from 23 down to 3-4 in this case. 3-4 is not a universally acceptable number. You can't take an article such as Main Characters of seaQuest DSV season 2 which only has five characters in it anyways and magically say 4 is ok. It isn't. It's indiscriminate addition of fair use material and is clearly not acceptable. You have to focus on the nature of use, not some number line drawn in the sand as acceptable use. Furthermore, there IS a montage image of these characters available for each season which is the manner in which to display these characters vice per character images. See Wikipedia:NFC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles. Dr. Stantz I strongly urge you to reconsider your actions before continuing this edit war, as your actions are clearly in violation of our fair use policies. If you have questions, then ask. Do not simply revert again. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• • You're also edit warring. I'm readding the images again per policy and guideline. If you do not like it start a discussion, don't just remove. You seem to do nothing BUT remove images and talk about removing images (please correct me if I am wrong). Those pages meet the criteria and you yourself said 4 and under was likely okay. Show me where it says "No images fair use whatsoever" (you cannot, it doesn't say that anywhere. YOU agreed, under 5 is acceptable which they are. Youcan't now say "under 5 when I say so".) You are the only one complaining about this. Main Characters of seaQuest DSV season 1 shows the important characters only, not ever planning to add a fifth. Possibly Henderson in Main Characters of seaQuest DSV season 2 if her section can be beffed up enough and 2032 is only 3 out of 8 sections. IE List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: The Original Series, main characters each get their own, but I won't get into that now. Dr. Stantz (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I've removed the images yet again, and since you're unwilling to perform the work to include the cast montages, I have done so. This is the proper way to handle this sort of situation, per Wikipedia:NFC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles item #1. Note how List of Stargate SG-1 characters is in the same form. If you insist on reverting, I will file a report. Please note that enforcing our non-free content policy is a specifically mentioned exemption from WP:3RR. If you continue to violate our policies, the consequences are yours. Thank you. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)