Talk:List of types of democracy

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This contains material originally at democracy (disambiguation). It was moved here as these are not typical disambiguation material, and hopefully some better arrangement of them can be made, overview articles created, etc. Please contact me for more info. - David Oberst 17:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Democracy (varieties) into List of types of democracy[edit]

From Talk:Democracy (disambiguation)#What would make this page perfect:

"Democracy (varieties) and List of democracy articles should be merged into Kinds of democracy. "Kinds of democracy" (as a whole and not its parts!!!) is an obvious disambiguation of 'democracy'. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)"[reply]

I agree with this, and as things stand there is a lot of common content between the articles. Thanks/wangi 17:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are a few people interested in creating some sort of overview, map, or guide to the democracy articles, it might be more useful to map out a clean start rather than merge two somewhat problematic sources. Figure out what should be created, what included, and how laid out. There are many more "... democracy" articles than the current "List" has, and many of the ones on there are a bit "iffy", either in description or the actual article (Democratic capitalism, for instance). I have a scratchpad where I was collecting entries at User:Oberst/List of Democracy articles - many of the others are pretty fringy or marginal. Also, I took a halfhearted stab at trying to figure out some sort of useful groupings ("Governmental", "Electoral") etc., although it isn't a promising path. If others are interested in trying to work something up, I'd be willing to pitch in where I can. - David Oberst 20:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I noted on the main disambiguation page I think this list should be cut down (in the descriptions) and moved to Types of democracy (diambiguation). Then the Democracy (varieties) page should be split up and merged into the individual democracy parts. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 12:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If a merger is done, it should be the other way around: a list cannot absorb prose paragraphs, the prose page can -even temporarily- be given a section for the not (yet?) elaborated forms on the List Fastifex 09:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there ought to be one list. However it is quite clear that the whole subject is highly contentious and I would like to see a bit more give and take before accepting the change. E.g. I've repeated seen references to the left-wing view of democracy being pulled from the democracy article, and given such behaviour I've no doubt the list itself will be contentious. One of the biggest problems I see is that the whole concept of democracy has evolved over time into numerous strands. This has e.g. raised problems in the Athenian democracy article because someone was saying SPARTA was democratic. Now using the classical definition it was not, but using the modern (may I say US) view it is. Another example is that America was not considered a democracy when it was set up, but now retrospectively many do consider it a democracy. This situation must be confusing for anyone reading these many articles and e.g. it must seem impossible for many US schooled readers to reconcile their view with the Marxist view or the Greek view if they don't have any understanding of how the terminology has changed over time. I vote to have some form of article which explains how the term has been used differently by different groups at different periods of times and thereby helps to link/group the list. --Mike 11:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the merge. I think we want one fairly comprehensive list without a great deal of discussion and another, more "learned" article discussing (in some detail) the major types and combinations and the differences and similarities. --Boson 23:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also oppose the merge. This is one of the few lists on Wikipedia that are actually lists and are organized properly. Why destroy it? Taxico 04:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the merge. The brief list is like a table of content on the subject of democracies (only one of at least 5 types of governments). Then there should be many detailed articles on the various types of democratic governments. I think the list of types should have a definition of each type of democracy to assure top-down navigation as opposed to jumping between the list and each type to learn what it means. 24.238.51.122 13:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Atul Govil[reply]

I also oppose the merge. As I stated in democracy "The primary question offered now is: Does Wikipedia need two articles listing every form of democracy? If so, the secondary question is - why? If not, the secondary question is to either merge these articles or to transfer much of the material in this article to the List article."

There are two opposing camps on defining and listing with the democracy article: (1) those who are interested in democracy as an actual (or historical) means of governance - and (2) those who are very interested in emerging (and often untested) political theories. We cannot ever expect to produce one article integrating enough political theory of what democracy might become to satisfy the political theorists without political theory dominating how democracy is actually practised.

Majority rule has been an example of this. The majority rule article properly describes majority rule to be synonomous with democracy. The political theorists correctly argue that political theory includes examples of democracy where majoritarian features are reduced or eliminated.

My proposal is to learn from this very heated debate, to accept that everyone is making valid points. Everyone agrees that all actual democratic governments today incorporate differing forms of majority rule. No one can argue that presently obscure or theoretical forms of democracy might not someday become important. Both sides are correct?

Might this page have four sections?

:::The Historical Types of Democracy.

:::Types of Democracies in Modern Governance (1500 - present).

:::Emerging Types of Democracy.

:::Theoretical Types of Democracy.

Raggz 23:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This proposal is offered for one primary reason, to reduce pointless arguments and to encourage productive debate. It provides a structure as to where things go on the list. More importantly it helps the reader find the information they are interested in finding.

Missing Types[edit]

I noticed that Christian democracy, Consensus democracy, Islamic democracy and Messianic democracy are absent from this list, yet present in the Democracy template. These types should be added on this page. --124.170.237.102 (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC) this is MiKeY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.181.124.12 (talk) 16:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]