Talk:Local government in Wales

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Use of data in Office of National Statistics maps[edit]

Alistair Dent, the Mapping Services Manager for the Office of National Statistics, has advised the helpdesk that this article has been used as research material in developing maps for a forthcoming publication. Well done to all those involved in preparing the article. Capitalistroadster 00:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Mysterious 1887-1888 Commission[edit]

Found reference in Commons Hansard of 1972 July 20 (cols 1095 onward) to a boundary commission "a Boundary Commission in 1887-1888" which apparently recommended the union of Flintshire with Denbigshire. We have Barry Jones proposing a Flintshire separate from Clwyd (with detached parts and all!), Nicholas Edwards, MP for Pembroke, keeping an independent Pembrokeshire from Dyfed : he claims that he "and some of my constituents presented a petition to the Secretary of State signed by 55,562 people over the age of 18", noting this is more than 78% of the electorate in Pembrokeshire. Concern was raised over the idea the Welsh language might be imposed on Pembrokeshire.

George Thomas then proposes an amendment to merge Mid Glamorgan and South Glamorgan into a single East Glamorgan : argument is put forward that Cardiff would dominate South Glamorgan too much and Mid Glamorgan is not viable. debates lasts from column 1147 to 1211, but was negatives. Roy Hughes moved a half-hearted amendment to keep Newport as a county borough outside of Gwent (the amendment appears to be malformed, but hey), this is quickly negatived. Neil Kinnock moved an amendment to have the Rhmney Valley district in Gwent rather than Mid Glamorgan. Mr Rowlands moved an amendment to have a Heads of the Valleys (that name seems to keep cropping up) county, including Merthyr, Brynnmawr, Llanelly, Rhondda, Aberdae, Galligae, Mountain Ash, Abertilley, Bedwellty, Ebbw Vale, etc... these all have been negatived. Next amendment: Caerwyn Roderick noted he had "no love for Powys" but proposed an amendment to keep all of Brecknockshire in Powys. 18:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be the commission set up under the Local Government (Boundaries) Act 1887 in preparation for local government reform. Unfortunately I have yet to see their (500 page) report. I t doesn't appear to have been debated in parliament, just "placed in the library". When I get rich I will get the British Library to scan it to disc for me Lozleader (talk) 10:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have found a bit more: it was actually a proposal by the justices of the two counties to amalgamate. The Times of March 15, 1888 notes that the magistrates of Flintshire voted to merge with Denbighshire by the casting vote of the chairman. In Denbighshire the chair of the quarter sessions proposed supporting the merger, but this was lost by a single vote. The matter was to be left up to the Boundary Commissioners. Lozleader (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Police and fire[edit]

Might it be a good idea to have a section on the police and fire service areas, like is done at Subdivisions of Scotland?. G-Man * 22:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Counties of Wales[edit]

I wasn't aware of this policy about historic counties. After reading the policy, I would say that the categories I created are put into a historic context in the categorisation structure by grouping them under Category:Towns in Wales by historic county. I would not object to having them reverted, if this is deemed to be confusing the issue about current administrative divisions and former counties. ArfonOwen (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Also under this heading, is it completely correct to assert 'The principal areas are variously styled as county, county borough, city or city and county'? The Vale of Glamorgan, for example, styles itself simply 'Vale of Glamorgan Council'. Similarly, parliamentary constituencies are either county or borough constituencies, but it is rare for anybody to identify a constituency as county or borough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephennewton (talkcontribs) 16:29, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

"Principle areas" imagemap - Monmouthshire[edit]

The imagemap highlights Cwmbran (which I believe is intended as the administrative centre of Monmouthshire CC), but the Monmonthshire article lists Usk for this, and the Monmouthshire County Council article states that the current office building opened in 2013. I don't know how to edit the imagemap, however, or even how to find the underlying document. Could someone familiar with imagemaps please correct this? Aoeuidhtns (talk) 12:17, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The map seems to have been created by Alphathon, so you could try asking them. It's 'principal areas', by the way... Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
It is true that I made the imagemap, but I did not create the map itself (they are two separate things: the image/file – Wales Administrative Map 2009.png – was created by Wikimedia Commons user XrysD; I created the imagemap, which is what makes it clickable). Unfortunately I cannot amend the map since AFAIK I don't have the fonts used to create it. If I did I'd be more than happy to amend it though. Now that you mention it it is a little odd that Cwmbran is listed at all; it's clearly supposed to be Monmouthshire's seat but isn't even in Monmouthshire (it's in, and is shown in, Torfaen). Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn(talk) 13:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying. Monmouthshire's admin HQ was indeed at the old Gwent County Hall in Cwmbran - outside the authority's area - until the building was condemned and the authority's functions moved increasingly to Usk over the last few years. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC) PS: I've posted a message for Wikimedia Commons user XrysD. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I just read the message. I will update the admin map (and variants) to show Usk as the Admin HQ for Monmouthshire ASAP. XrysD (talk) 15:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
OK, done! XrysD (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Alphathon - can you do what's necessary to put the new map on the page? Thanks.. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I don't think there's anything for me to do - the image itself has been updated so there should be no reason for the old version to show up on the page. If it is still displaying the old version for you it's probably just down to caching and will likely resolve itself soon (may take a few days but probably a matter of hours or even less). Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn(talk) 13:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

XrysD - OK, thanks - though I suppose, to be consistent, the map should also give the Welsh name Brynbuga. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I should have realized that when I changed the Welsh Language version too! Will fix when I get a moment. If the new map isn't showing up, you can force a refresh (in Chrome) by hitting F5. XrysD (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
It's OK, works for me now. Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)