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Reviewer: Stemonitis (talk) 07:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, here goes. Basically, this is a very well-written article, and I don't see it needing much work before reaching GA. A few things did catch my eye, however: --Stemonitis (talk) 07:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first thing I noticed is that the lead will need a little work. It is meant to be a summary of the rest of the article, which means that it should not contain anything that isn't repeated later on. That means there isn't normally any need for citations in the lead.
I rewrote the introduction. I believe the thought progression is easier to understand now.--Kyleemmroz (talk) 23:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure? I didn't see anything different from what I did yesterday. I expanded the intro and think it provides a pretty good summary of the article.--TimHAllstr (talk) 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I rewrote the lead based off of the bog turtle, there's probably more to include though. The lead shouldn't just be a list of facts, it should have some flow to it. Think about that if you decide to add more information to it.Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 10:48, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done For consistency with other articles, it's probably best to cite the IUCN directly, using "status_ref = " in the taxobox, ("Casale, P.; Tucker, A.D. (2017). "Caretta caretta (amended version of 2015 assessment)". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2017: e.T3897A119333622. doi:10.2305/IUCN.UK.2017-2.RLTS.T3897A119333622.en. Retrieved 27 October 2020. {{cite iucn}}: error: title has extraneous text (help)")
  • Check that scientific names below the family level are in italics, even in the references; Sargassum is a genus, for instance, and should be in italics; Spirorchiidae is a famiy, and should not.
I put sargassum in italics and capitalized it. Since it is the genus, should it be capitalized in every instance as well?--TimHAllstr (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taxonomy: you state that the name Caretta caretta "prevailed". I am sure there is more to it than that. Under the ICZN, the epithet "caretta" would have to be used, whatever genus was in use. Without seeing the full list of synonyms, it is difficult to say more. Could they be included as a footnote? Then it might be clearer whether the synonyms are repeated descriptions of the same species by different authors (perhaps believing that their local populations were different), or different combinations of the same epithet in different genera, or a combination of the two. Whichever it is, the reasons for the large number of synonyms should probably be mentioned.
Synonyms have been included. Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 10:48, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Bog turtle article, taxonomic synonyms were placed in the taxobox (so i'm not sure a footnote would be best). A comprehensive list would be nice, if it could be found, which may not be the case. If the changes do indeed have a larger reason behind them, than it should be stated, but again, the sources may not say this (or perhaps there is no real reason).--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following on from that, strictly speaking, Linnaeus was not the first to name the loggerhead, but the first to give the loggerhead a valid scientific name, according to the rules agreed (much later) by the ICZN. In the 10th edition of Systema Naturae (the starting point for zoological nomenclature), for instance, he cites two earlier names: "Gron. mus. s. p. 85. n. 69. Testudo pedibus natatoriis, unguibus acuminatus binis." and "Brown. jam. 465. Testudo unguibus utrinque binis acutis, squamis dorsi quinque gibbis."

Fixed I made sure that it was clear that Linnaeus was the first to give a scientific name.--TimHAllstr (talk) 23:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • In the third paragraph of "Distribution", Western Australia and Southern Africa are mentioned as additional sites, but Africa (Mozambique to S. Africa) has already been mentioned.
Fixed Got rid of the redundant info.--TimHAllstr (talk) 23:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avoid phrases like "In fact," ("Distribution", fifth paragraph).
Done I fixed this occurence. I will check for additional issues--TimHAllstr (talk) 11:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • In "Evolutionary history", you say that it "is a descendent of the ancient species Cheloniidae". While it is true that a single species was the ancestor of all Cheloniidae, you cannot call Cheloniidae a species. I can't think of a simple fix for this.
The sea turtle article states that Cheloniidae is a superfamily, so I stated that it's descended from the ancient superfamily.--TimHAllstr (talk) 14:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anatomy and morphology: "several adaptations" are mentioned, but only one is presented.
  • Spelling: currently, there is a mixture of American English and British English (or Commonwealth English) spellings ("labeling", "behavior"; "molluscs", "centimetres").
Done I changed all the spelling to American English.--TimHAllstr (talk) 23:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done--Kaker42 (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Loggerheads mature sexually at around age 35 ... Loggerheads that reach adulthood typically live more than 30 years, and often live past 50 years." I misunderstood this sentence; the "50 years" refers to longevity after maturity, meaning a full life span of 85 years, doesn't it? I think that's the figure one would expect to read (total lifespan), rather than expecting the reader to do the sums. The first part is also partly contradicted by the later paragraph in which South African females start to reproduce from 17–30 years old.
  • I imagine this sentence has been accidentally altered: "Such damage can require weeks to heal cause the male to dismount."
done--TimHAllstr (talk) 14:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm surprised that the section on diet is so short. I would expect a lot of detail to be known about what loggerheads eat.
I have expanded this section, including more prey and mechanisms of feeding.--TimHAllstr (talk) 23:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The section on raccoon fencing needs to be referenced.
  • done References: Since you're using the two-list method of referencing, make sure that the items are in alphabetical order in the second list. I can also see no need to use all capitals in titles, so it would be best to change these to title case or sentence case. Finally, I think it would look better with the first list being split into two or three columns, but that's only a personal preference.

Synonymy

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The following synonyms are taken from Dodd (1988), which is the latest source used by Conant et al. (2009) for their claim of 35 synonyms. The species Caretta caretta and the genus Caretta are different taxa, even if they are coterminous, so they have separate synonymies. I don't think Dodd explicitly discusses the reasons for the synonymy (but since the text of that PDF isn't searchable, I can't be sure).

Species synonymy

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Loggerhead turtle
A loggerhead turtle in an aquarium tank.
A loggerhead turtle at the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta, Georgia.
Scientific classification
Kingdom:
Phylum:
Class:
Subclass:
Order:
Family:
Genus:
Caretta

Species:
C. caretta
Binomial name
Caretta caretta
Map of the range of the loggerhead turtle.
Range of Caretta caretta
Species synonymy
  • Testudo Caretta
    Linnaeus, 1758
  • Testudo Cephalo
    Schneider, 1783
  • Testudo nasicornis
    Lacépède, 1788
  • Testudo Caouana
    Lacépède, 1788
  • Chelone caretta
    Brongniart, 1805
  • Chelonia Caouanna
    Schweigger, 1812
  • Caretta nasuta
    Rafinesque, 1814
  • Chelonia cavanna
    Oken, 1816
  • Caretta atra
    Merrem, 1820
  • Caretta Cephalo
    Merrem, 1820
  • Caretta nasicornis
    Merrem, 1820
  • Chelonia caretta
    Bory de Saint-Vincent, 1828
  • Testudo Corianna
    Gray, 1831
  • Chelonia pelasgorum
    Valenciennes in Bory de Saint-Vincent, 1833
  • Chelonia cephalo
    Gray, 1829
  • Chelonia (Caretta) cephalo
    Lesson in Bélanger, 1834
  • Chelonia caouanna
    Duméril & Bibron, 1835
  • Chelonia (Thalassochelys) Caouana
    Fitzinger, 1836
  • Chelonia (Thalassochelys) atra
    Fitzinger, 1836
  • Thalassochelys caretta
    Bonaparte, 1838
  • Chelonia (Caouanna) cephalo
    Cocteau in Cocteau & Bibron in Ramon de la Sagra, 1838
  • Halichelys atra
    Fitzinger, 1843
  • Caounana Caretta
    Gray, 1844
  • Caouana elongata
    Gray, 1844
  • Thalassochelys Caouana
    Agassiz, 1857
  • Thalassochelys corticata
    Girard, 1858
  • Chelonia corticata
    Strauch, 1862
  • Thalassochelys elongata
    Strauch, 1862
  • Thalassochelys caouana
    Nardo, 1864
  • Eremonia elongata
    Gray, 1873
  • Caretta caretta
    Stejneger, 1873
  • Thalassochelys cephalo
    Barbour & Cole, 1906
  • Caretta caretta caretta
    Mertens & Muller, 1928
  • Caretta gigas
    Deraniyagala, 1933
  • Caretta caretta gigas
    Deraniyagala, 1939
  • Caretta caretta tarapacana
    Caldwell, 1962
  • Chelonia cahuano
    Tamayo, 1962
  • Caretta careta
    Tamayo, 1962
Genus synonymy
  • Caretta
    Rafinesque, 1814
  • Caretta (Thalassochelys)
    Fitzinger, 1835
  • Thalassochelys
    Bonaparte, 1838
  • Caouana
    Cocteau in Ramon de la Sagra, 1838
  • Halichelys
    Fitzinger, 1843
  • Eremonia
    Gray, 1873
  • ?Pliochelys
    Portis, 1890
  • ?Proganosaurus
    Portis, 1890

C. Kenneth Dodd, Jr. (1988), "Synopsis of the Biological Data on the Loggerhead Sea Turtle Caretta caretta (Linnaeus 1758)" (PDF), Biological Report 88 (14), FAO Synopsis NMFS-149, United States Fish and Wildlife Service {{citation}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |journal= (help)

  • Caretta caretta (Linnaeus, 1758)
  • Testudo Caretta Linnaeus, 1758
  • Testudo Cephalo Schneider, 1783
  • Testudo nasicornis Lacépède, 1788
  • Testudo Caouana Lacépède, 1788
  • Chelone caretta Brongniart, 1805
  • Chelonia Caouanna Schweigger, 1812
  • Caretta nasuta Rafinesque, 1814
  • Chelonia cavanna Oken, 1816
  • Caretta atra Merrem, 1820
  • Caretta Cephalo Merrem, 1820
  • Caretta nasicornis Merrem, 1820
  • Chelonia caretta Bory de Saint-Vincent, 1828
  • Testudo Corianna Gray, 1831
  • Chelonia pelasgorum Valenciennes in Bory de Saint-Vincent, 1833
  • Chelonia cephalo Gray, 1829
  • Chelonia (Caretta) cephalo Lesson in Bélanger, 1834
  • Chelonia caouanna Duméril & Bibron, 1835
  • Chelonia (Thalassochelys) Caouana Fitzinger, 1836
  • Chelonia (Thalassochelys) atra Fitzinger, 1836
  • Thalassochelys caretta Bonaparte, 1838
  • Chelonia (Caouanna) cephalo Cocteau in Cocteau & Bibron in Ramon de la Sagra, 1838
  • Halichelys atra Fitzinger, 1843
  • Caounana Caretta Gray, 1844
  • Caouana elongata Gray, 1844
  • Thalassochelys Caouana Agassiz, 1857
  • Thalassochelys corticata Girard, 1858
  • Chelonia corticata Strauch, 1862
  • Thalassochelys elongata Strauch, 1862
  • Thalassochelys caouana Nardo, 1864
  • Eremonia elongata Gray, 1873
  • Caretta caretta Stejneger, 1873
  • Thalassochelys cephalo Barbour & Cole, 1906
  • Caretta caretta caretta Mertens & Muller, 1928
  • Caretta gigas Deraniyagala, 1933
  • Caretta caretta gigas Deraniyagala, 1939
  • Caretta caretta tarapacana Caldwell, 1962
  • Chelonia cahuano Tamayo, 1962
  • Caretta careta Tamayo, 1962

So it should be something like this:

Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 11:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a pretty big list, which is one reason I suggested a footnote. Just over the last 24 hours, a new taxobox parameter has been introduced, which may be useful here. Have a look at gyrfalcon to see how it might help. I'm not saying that the synonyms have to be listed that way, although I think the information probably ought to be included by some means. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, now that a source has been identified with all the information present, it should be included. Drop down menus are so cool!--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 21:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The synonyms have been included, how should one go about citing this? Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 22:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, disregard my comment below (I just saw this). Simply place the citation at the end of the list after the last entry.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Like this? (see taxobox) Or should it be cited like everything else in the article? Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 00:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Woh, woh...no, you want it like everything else (the placement is correct though...after the last entry). I also think you want it after the first list as well.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 02:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I think I've got it now. Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 02:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 11:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Genus synonymy

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  • Caretta Rafinesque, 1814
  • Caretta (Thalassochelys) Fitzinger, 1835
  • Thalassochelys Bonaparte, 1838
  • Caouana Cocteau in Ramon de la Sagra, 1838
  • Halichelys Fitzinger, 1843
  • Eremonia Gray, 1873
  • ?Pliochelys Portis, 1890
  • ?Proganosaurus Portis, 1890
These have also been included in the taxobox. Should the question marks also be included? (They are currently). Vancemiller (talk · contribs · count · email) 22:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe so, but shouldn't these lists be cited?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 22:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Outcome

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  1. Well-written:
  2. checkY
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. checkY
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. checkY
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. checkY
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. checkY
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  12. checkY

Congratulations. Loggerhead sea turtles is now a good article. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Casale, P.; Tucker, A.D. (2017). "Caretta caretta (amended version of 2015 assessment)". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2017: e.T3897A119333622. doi:10.2305/IUCN.UK.2017-2.RLTS.T3897A119333622.en. Retrieved 27 October 2020. {{cite iucn}}: error: title has extraneous text (help)