Talk:Lolcat

O HAI

The general format for "Oh, hi." in LOLcat has been "O HAI" as a standard. I think that the image used for the main photograph should be representative of this important part of LOLcat culture. CircleChess —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.152.44 (talk) 08:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Ceiling Cat

I'm thinking that there should be mention (if not a separate section/page) for Ceiling Cat. It seems to me that Ceiling Cat is taking on quite a bit of a following. Imeriki al-Shimoni (talk) 14:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

BY THAT LOGIC WE SHOULD GIVE SERIOUS CAT HIS OWN PAGE, BECAUSE SERIOUS CAT IS SERIOUS 99.164.109.224 (talk) 07:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

i has a flavor

Can we please discuss rather than edit warring? Two users have violated WP:3RR this evening re-adding and removing this link. Personally I'm not too bothered, but it does seem to fail WP:EL, how is it informative in any way that icanhascheezburger isn't? - Zeibura ^{( talk )} 20:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the edit warring activity has sprung from the influx of popularity of Ihasaflavor.com on the social bookmarking sites. I believe the difference is significant enough (both functionality and aesthetic-wise) to warrant a spot. Plus, it seems to be one of the first sites getting professional development attention (rather than just the blogosphere). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.128.207.41 (talk) 21:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Theres no reason icanhascheezburger fits the bill and ihasaflavor.com violates it. They are both promoting lolcats via unique content and functionality, both advertising supported, both including community-driven features, both fulfilling the same requirements for WP:EL. Ihasaflavor is in a different league then the other sites that have popped up just aggregating content via a blog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.128.207.41 (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The biggest difference between the three links already there and ihasaflavor is that the three current links have been previously featured in news articles and other citations for months. This was discussed in a previous external links discussion and it was generally agreed upon that it was a good guideline to use to keep the external links from becoming overrun and turned into a linkfarm. --Desertdwell (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Generally agreed upon between who? The proper criteria should be more towards original content and community promotion than PR. Sites like ihasaflavor.com are obviously attracting professional development and backing and should really be a part of this list. If it was another blog hack-job, then yes this would be a moot point, but it clearly isn't.

Find significant media coverage and it can be included. Viridae^Talk 22:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:EL says nothing about "significant media coverage". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.128.207.41 (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The WP:EL *does* say: "Long lists of links are not appropriate: Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links. Where editors have not reached consensus on an appropriate list of links, a link to a well chosen web directory category could be used until such consensus can be reached." A consensus was reached by editors if you read further up, as already advised. --Desertdwell (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind, too that popularity is not completely synonymous with notability. Just because the content or its presentation is unique doesn't make it notable. This is why the attention paid to it, and evidence of that, is required. This website is not the subject of the article, and does not appear to have notability as such; it further has little impact on the subject other than being another outlet for the phenomen. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:EL says that "personal webpages are normally to be avoided". What I seem to be gathering is that we ignore this guideline with icanhascheezburger (which does count as a personal webpage, as does any lolcat site) because it has media coverage as being one of the websites which helped the phenomenon become well known, whereas ihasaflavor hasn't, so it's just a personal webpage. Personally I don't see anything that makes it that different to a lolcat blog, only that you see pictures at random rather than in chronological order which they were made.

In any case, since people still haven't stopped edit warring, I've protected this page, that will expire in 2 days time or when we reach consensus here. - Zeibura ^{( talk )} 17:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the protection. While personal webpages are to be avoided, once that page itself becomes notable, it would seem to fall under a different category: in this case the site has become notable for its press coverage regarding a subject that is also notable on its own on Wikipedia. The other site, while similar, has the unfortunate distinction of being indistinct in the Lolcat popularity contest. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I count 30 google news hits for icanhascheezburger, and 234,000 web hits (excluding duplicates). For ihasaflavor, no news hits, and only four web hits. And given that more than one of those google news hits focusses on icanhascheezburger, I would argue that that website passes WP:WEB and could be converted into a standalone article, rather than a redirect to this article. The lolcat bible project might pass as well. In that case, I would suggest creating articles for the sites that pass WP:WEB, using internal links to those articles in this article, and dumping the external links section altogether, becuase this problem is never going to be resolved otherwise. Resolute 20:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I like the idea of dumping the external links section, come to think of it. It's not that icanhascheezburger is really "informative", external links are supposed to direct readers to more sources of information, rather than just pictures, so the idea of an external links section in the lolcat article doesn't seem quite right. Icanhascheezburger is actually linked to in the article (history section), so that should really be enough, but it probably can pass WP:WEB for its own article, and I've already created LOLCat Bible Translation Project, which, after being speedied despite being sourced and only narrowly surviving an AfD, is still here. The macrocats image gallery just looks like a blog to me. - Zeibura ^{( talk )} 07:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Meowy 17:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I've created a short article on I Can Has Cheezburger?, and dumped the External links section. The lolcat websites with enough notability to pass WP:WEB now all have articles, so there is no need for external links on this article. Hopefully this will put an end to the constant attempts to add every lolcat site out there. Resolute 18:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

lolcat?

"Lolcats are images combining photographs of animals, most frequently cats, with a subjectively humorous and idiosyncratic caption in broken English referred to as Kitty Pidgin, Kitteh, or lolspeak." Combining is bolded because sometimes people take cat photos and just add text. So I think we ought to add "or adding text to" making:

"Lolcats are images combining, or adding text to photographs of animals, most frequently cats, with a subjectively humorous and idiosyncratic caption in broken English referred to as Kitty Pidgin, Kitteh, or lolspeak."

Microman362 (talk) 02:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Microman362, 1/30/07 9:58 Eastern Time

First came the cat, then came the photograph of the cat, then came the posting of said cat photo onto 4chan with the demand to "caption my cat", then came the captions, then came the verdict: win or fail, then the best survived, then came rip-off sites like icanhascheezburger to parasitically feed off other peoples material, then came the end of Caturday as a thing of joy. Meowy 17:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

i.e, once upon a time, adding captions to your own cat photograph was seen as being very bad form. Meowy 17:23, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

lolcats.com registration date proves nothing

I have removed the sentence:

The use of "lolcat" to describe the phenomenon was introduced no later than June 14 2006 when the domain name "lolcats.com" was registered. (ref. http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=lolcats.com )

The domain name registration date tells us nothing about the subject matter of the site at that time. Had I thought of it at the time, I probably would have registered the domain in 2000, thinking "LOL, cats!" Spazdor (talk) 18:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

And by the same thinking, you can't actually be sure that icanhascheezburger had pictures of cats when it first went online (it could have been selling cheeseburgers for all you know). Or that the World actually existed the day before you were born. However, the chances are that the World did exist before you were born, and lolcats.com was named after lolcats.Meowy 21:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cant Language

I was tempted to add the category Cant (language) to lolcat, primarily because lolspeak is redirected to this article. Two things stopped me from doing this. First, lolspeak isn't a cant as it isn't intended to be used to conceal meaning. Second, the Cant talk page contained an admonition to not add leet which is closer to a Cant than lolspeak. Any suggestions on what language form category lolspeak would fall into? Maybe "Category:Language varieties and styles"? DanRP (talk) 16:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

External link(s)

I suggest that Lolcats at Curlie would be good for the article. 76.100.145.247 (talk) 02:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Category moved: http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Subcultures/Cyberculture/Memes/Image_Macros/Lolcats/ 128.231.88.5 (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

"I made you a cookie/but I eated it"

The original photo of the Munchkin of "I made you a cookie/but I eated it" fame can be found at flickr. (Photoset)--165.21.154.91 (talk) 20:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Ceiling Cat Split

The subject of whether Ceiling Cat should have its own article or not is a contentious one. It's been created and deleted many times. I think it's time to revisit that debate, as the Lolcat Bible has given Ceiling Cat quite a bit of secondary source notability.

News Article 1 News Article 2 News Article 3

This was just with a quick search of Google News. I know "google results are not notability", but ("ceiling cat" -post) on google has 100,000 hits now. Gigs (talk) 10:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

NOM NOM NOM

Why does Nom nom nom re-direct to this page, yet there is no mention of it? I believe this particular Internet meme should have its own page (or at least a stub) rather than be combined into the Lolcat article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anti-Account (talk • contribs) 19:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)