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IMPORTANT ARTICLE

I feel this is super important tool in the time of pandemic for online decision making. It may appear like a niche topic, but it is urgent and should be both updated and featured more prominently. Zblace (talk) 07:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: added new screenshots and few more sub sections, but it is still far from ideal and would require more work on describing new versions and feature sets. Zblace (talk) 10:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Zblace: Beginning and end dates for projects that have ceased would be useful too. Secondary sources on why the projects stopped using Loomio would be useful too. Did the projects collapse due to shifting to other software? or to the group itself dissolving? Did joining a government coalition (Podemos) lead to a drop in the desire for transparency ("power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely")?

I see these as super important for beyond the pandemic. Decisions need to be made in groups of 100s, 1000s, millions, 10s of millions of people, and on even bigger scales. These decisions are being constantly made, but most of the decision-making procedures with the most significant effects and the associated discussions are secret, and analyses of "why such-and-such a bill (law project) became a law" depend on a lot of guesswork, simplification, assuming that known individuals and groups follow regular patterns of behaviour and leaks. To me it seems inevitable that more and more decision-making will switch to transparent, structured, online, participatory software such as Loomio (not necessarily Loomio itself).

There's now a whole range of (free-software licensed) democracy software packages available: https://democracy.foundation/similar-projects . (Non-free-software projects would defeat the whole point.) Loomio and LiquidFeedback appear to be the only ones so far on en.Wikipedia; Decidim seems to be widely used, but is not yet on WP; ConsulProject also seems to be widely used; another list of projects is: https://alternativeto.net/software/democracyos/?license=opensource. As usage and second or third-party sources on these improve, we should be able to start a comparison page like Comparison of source-code-hosting facilities. My guess is that finding enough sources to start Decidim and ConsulProject would probably be realistic. Boud (talk) 20:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Boud note that your last edit is not needed as http://Loomio.eu works! Zblace (talk) 13:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Zblace: If you look carefully at my edit comment, then you'll see my error: (www.|)loomiA.eu is not a known domain, but (www.|)loomiO.eu is. This is definitely good news. :) However, loomio.eu doesn't currently seem to allow access without logging in; "2019-02: private beta period, customers who request are invited to the service" does not quite justify "established"; and ideally we should have a non-primary source. Credibility: the domain name loomia.eu resolves to 188.166.76.7, which is registered with DigitalOcean, which appears to have datacentres in Amsterdam and Frankfurt/Main, so GDPR-compliance for loomia.eu as a web service is at least credible. But a proper source will be needed... Boud (talk) 07:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)