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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 10:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will review.

General

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* No dablinks

  • Stable -

* No images. Not part of WP:WIAGA but an image of the Broadhurst Theatre could be added in the appropriate context.

Lead

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Background and composition

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  • I think this needs expansion, and more insight into the writing process. An article that says "The play is the final and posthumous work of Ephron, who died the year before its production" isn't telling the reader anything more than what they can infer. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have expanded this section as much as I could. However, unlike most works, the writer was not around to tell her story at the time when the public would be asking about it. I.e, once they could see that it was a likely and eventual Tony-nominee, she was already dead. Her writing process for this work is not likely extensively logged in the public domain.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

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* "Mike McAlary" should just read "McAlary" per WP:LASTNAME

* Near-fatal 1993 car crash is unsourced

* "The second act of the play" - if it is, the first act probably wants to be explicitly mentioned too.

  • I think this section still needs improvement. The paragraph now starts "Mike McAlary, from 1985 to 1993, bounds from one New York City newsroom to another". As well as duplicating the WP:LASTNAME problem (albeit now in a different place), the text makes him sound like Superman. I think you just need to tone the language down a bit and explain things in a more neutral and factual manner. The section is now tagged as requiring expansion, and justifiably so. Have a look at She Has a Name, which is probably the closest GA I can find to this subject, for some ideas on what you can include. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Themes

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The quotations here are the opinions of the individual reviewers and should be attributed at such.

WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, at the moment it's a single paragraph section, which is discouraged. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Production history

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  • This section is quite short, and could probably be expanded. When did pre-production start? Do we know why the Broadhurst Theatre was chosen as the venue? Do we know why Tom Hanks specifically chose this play as his broadway debut? Most importantly, do we have any background into Ephron's writing of the play, and how it developed into production after her death. How much of it, if any, was she involved in?

* "Directed by George C. Wolfe, Tom Hanks starred as McAlary." sounds a bit confusing. Suggest "It was directed by George C. Wolfe, with Tom Hanks starring McAlary"

Critical review

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  • I'm not sure this section needs to be quite so long. Give a general summary of the critical reception, and include the most pertinent comments on all sides of opinion.

Awards and nominations

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The individual Tony awards need to be cited (just procedural this one as the LA Times article has got them all)

References

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* BroadwayWorld.com is a redlink

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* "official website" should be in caps

Review sheet

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

I think it's mainly expanding on existing content that is the issue here. Looks all solvable within a week, so I'm putting this on hold for now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have expanded the article a bit. I am at a loss on how to fill out the plot any further. I am also not so sure I want to chop the critical review section. This just might not make it over the hump. If it will make a difference I would take a closer look at the critical review, but given my inability to find a good source on the plot I am not sure what I can do.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll tell you what my gut feeling is, which is that there are good sources on this that haven't been written yet. It didn't run on Broadway for that long, all things considered, and these things need time to gain attention after the initial buzz, if it happens at all. If this transfers to the West End successfully with high critical acclaim, and gets picked up elsewhere, then writers and journalists will start to spot a demand for people to know the background, at which point we can cite it. I just feel that it isn't there yet. How would you feel about leaving this article as B class (it's a lot better than when I started the review, granted) and chalking it down to experience? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
B is fine.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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