Talk:MAE-East

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Creators of MAE-East

None of the sources for this are great, but I think Steve Feldman's role here as the "primary creator" is not supported in any of the given sources. The best is a single line that calls him a "principal architect" as of 1997 and nothing about his role in MAE's origin.^[1] The other two sources give his name in relation to MAE-East but again nothing about his role in the origin.^[2] It is possible to refer to Steven Feldman as a "Principal MAE-East architect" in the beer quote.^[3] Our article said "Feldman recalls" implying he was personally at the beer meeting, the source doesn't say recalls. Not to make too fine a point, reading these sources one could not determine if Steve Feldman was working for MFS at the time MAE-East was founded (I'm sure he was not doubting shows how ambiguous they are).

For Yeager, there is an extensively documented primary source he is the co-creator with Rick Adams. Even if one were to toss the book as self-published Yeager's papers which the book is based on are available and those are the primary sources. Primary sources are allowed see WP:PRIMARY, a secondary source is preferable. This source says "Yeager is best known for his work to create the original Internet peering sites" (ie. MAE-East).^[4] So we have a secondary source backing up the primary claim of "creator". -- GreenC 15:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't argue with any of that. I'd never heard of Yeager, but this old version of the MFS article] says he was VP of Sales. John Hardie was the only sales guy I ever dealt with. There's also this archived email which shows Yeager party to communications about the MAE in October of 1995. I'll ask around and see if I can find any more detail regarding their respective roles, and whether anyone can point to anything that isn't self-sourced by Yeager. Bill Woodcock (talk) 03:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I don't know, have not read Yeager's bio, other than the free snippits online. He has a website with some interesting docs from MFS. -- GreenC 22:11, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gittlen, Sandra; Pappalardo, Denise (10 November 1997). "MAE-East mayday answered with a $10 million Band-Aid". Network World (Volume 10, Number 45). Principal MAE architect Steve Feldman said WorldCom is not ready to commit to a single architecture, but is considering all the options. {{cite journal}}: |issue= has extra text (help)
^ Daly, Tom (9 November 2011). "Evaluating the Growth of Internet Traffic". CircleID.
^ James Bamford (2009). The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America. Random House. p. 187. ISBN 9780307279392. Retrieved February 27, 2014.
^ Ripley Hotch (October 1999). "Home Work Gets Easier (cover story)". Communication News. 36 (19): 12–14. Yeager is best known for his work to create the original Internet peering sites

[network-world-nov-1997-1] Gittlen, Sandra; Pappalardo, Denise (10 November 1997). "MAE-East mayday answered with a $10 million Band-Aid". Network World (Volume 10, Number 45). Principal MAE architect Steve Feldman said WorldCom is not ready to commit to a single architecture, but is considering all the options. {{cite journal}}: |issue= has extra text (help)

[2] Daly, Tom (9 November 2011). "Evaluating the Growth of Internet Traffic". CircleID.

[bamford-3] James Bamford (2009). The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America. Random House. p. 187. ISBN 9780307279392. Retrieved February 27, 2014.

[4] Ripley Hotch (October 1999). "Home Work Gets Easier (cover story)". Communication News. 36 (19): 12–14. Yeager is best known for his work to create the original Internet peering sites

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