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This page reads like a promotional brochure not an encyclopedia. Could someone with knowledge of what commerce and industry really means, rewrite this more objectively. Also, the tourism section is bad with motel/restaurant listings and sites that are not even in Marion. The article is about the city not all around it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadew (talk • contribs) 17:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marion IL is fully in Williamson County. Please remove the reference to its being partly in Johnson County. 2600:1700:F560:9C0:C9AB:FA58:C8A2:2248 (talk) 13:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Commerce and Industry

This section is pulled verbatim from www.wctb.org (Williamson County Tourism Board) and doesn't sound very objective.

"Metro" Population

Marion doesn't meet the requirements for being a MSA, nor is it one. I don't understand the listing of what appears to be a pretty arbitrary "metro" population.

I'd have thought that Marion might be a county seat, but still a suburb of Carbondale. Just guessing. Never been to southern Illinois. 68.107.8.147 (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Historic Tornado

I'm questioning the 50-500 million dollar damage estimate. I live in this town and this figure confuses me, questioning the source of that wide estimate range.

Midnite42 01:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

General Dynamics & the CONWR should be mentioned here somehow... they're closer and more relevant than the Prison to Marion... http://www.fws.gov I believe has information about CONWR, and General dynamics has it's own site.

Midnite42 13:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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We Need a Location Map Corrected

One of the maps at the top of this page, which is intended to show the location of the city of Marion with respect to all individual Illinois counties, currently (as of 4/13/2021), has TWO specific counties highlighted in red. This would be correct ONLY if the city limits of Marion included land WITHIN both of the 2 counties, or possibly - depending on your definition - contains land that lies exactly ON the borderline of the 2 adjoining counties. It does NOT, and it's not even close. Of the two counties highlighted in red, the northernmost county is the correct one (Williamson County), while Johnson County only begins 10 or more miles south of the Marion city limits, as the crow flies.

I'd correct it myself, but I'm having phone issues, plus I'm not sure exactly how to do it. TIA for fixing it for the city and the Wikipedia community.

Best regards: Cliff ("Uploadvirus") Cliff (a/k/a "Uploadvirus") (talk) 22:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The boundary on the map seems to be more or less correct, but might be including city-owned property instead of just the city limits. The map image is File:Williamson County Illinois Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Marion Highlighted.svg. Google Maps shows the same boundary: See Marion, IL on Google Maps. The Wikipedia image and Google Maps used 2010 U.S. Census TIGER map data as the source. Apparently this situation is a bit complicated: The City of Marion owns, and has annexed, the old railroad right-of-way southeast out towards Creal Springs. Just north of Gaskells Lane, or 0.75 miles north of Boundary Rd., two strips of land branch off; one looks like it's owned but not annexed by the City of Marion, and the other looks like it's annexed but not owned by the City of Marion:

Going east is a strip that goes around the east of Ceral Springs and connects to a large area of bottomland along the Sugar Creek and Maple Branch just southeast of Creal Springs, which is the 85-acre blob you're seeing straddling the county line. The City of Marion owns this because it was going to dam the creek to create a reservoir in the 1990s: "Permit Denied for Lake on Sugar Creek in Southern Illinois". Field Notes. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. 2007-06-27. Retrieved 2021-04-13. Also Winston, Curtis (2017-12-29). "Marion wraps up purchase of Sugar Creek, started in 1990s". Marion Republican. DuQuoin, Illinois: Southern Illinois Local Media Group. Retrieved 2021-04-13. That's what you're seeing on the maps that came from U.S. Census data. The City of Marion's interactive GIS map doesn't show this area as inside the city line; but I think state law gives a city police power over its own real estate even when it's not in the city limits, and some other states consider it annexed, so maybe they used that interpretation for the Census.
Going west is the opposite situation: An annexation strip that zig-zags down to take Adams School at 15470 Lake of Egypt Road. The strip is not city property, but the City of Marion interactive GIS map shows the city limits going down there; the city limits are shown as a dotted red line. This annexation isn't on the 2010 US Census map data because it happened in 2019, to make a school district agreement easier with the Marion Police Department: Winston, Curtis (2019-10-19). "Unit 2 gets 'clean' audit". Harrisburg Register. Harrisburg, Illinois: Southern Illinois Local Media Group. Retrieved 2021-04-13.

Changing a map image like that is pretty complicated: Someone with special software needs to re-generate a new map, and almost everyone that does that uses U.S. Census data. However, someone will probably volunteer to do that sometime this decade. It looks the 2020 Census Tiger map data no longer includes the Sugar Creek area, but it also doesn't include the railroad right-of-way or Adams School. You can compare the map data changes at https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/tigerweb/ by switching "Select Vintage" between "Current" and "2010 Census". Hope that explains things. --Closeapple (talk) 04:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]