Talk:Marriott International/Archives/2016

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Infobox brand list

Do we really need the list of brands in the infobox? It unnecessarily clutters the infobox, making it too big to fit on one screen (for me); it will make article maintenance more difficult because now brands will have to be updated in two places; and it is more than we need per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. I think the list of brands in the article is already too much, per WP:NOTDIR. I think we should take this out. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Son of BOSS

Shoudln't there be something about Marriott's use of the tax shelter called Son of BOSS in the article? Mylittlezach (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any objection on adding a section "controversies" as many other articles have. However, you'll need to right it in a neutral (encyclopedic) way and needs to be properly resourced. Use only solid reliable sources, not political groups that handpick statistics and put them out of context for their own good. Jurjenb (talk) 23:18, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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The Ritz-Carlton

I don't think it's correct to downcase the definite article in "The Ritz-Carlton." It's part of the name. Kendall-K1 (talk) 00:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

We should look to MOS:THECAPS: "Do not ordinarily capitalize the definite article after the first word of a sentence", and MOS:INSTITUTIONS: "The word the at the start of a title is uncapitalized, regardless of the institution's own usage (researchers at the Ohio State University not researchers at The Ohio State University)." I don't think that a company would be treated differently from a university. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks is also instructive -- Wikipedia uses standard English capitalization rather than the corporate profile reference. Ground Zero | t 02:17, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Ohio State University is commonly known as "Ohio State University," not "The Ohio State University." Compare this to for example "The New York Times," which always has a capitalized definite article both within WP and without. The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company uses initial cap when it's talking about the company or individual hotels. Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:20, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

The exception for artistic works is noted in MOS:THECAPS: "Do not ordinarily capitalize the definite article after the first word of a sentence; however some idiomatic expressions, including the titles of artistic works, should be quoted exactly according to common usage." The style guide provide The Lord of the Rings as an example. The newspaper The New York Times is a publication, so its name should be italicized and capitalized as an artistic work. Is there an exception to make the general rule for hotels?

It would be helpful if you could refer to the parts of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style that you think support your argument. If you don't agree with Wikipedia style, you can propose changes on the Style Guide's talk page.

The Ohio State University does use "the" as part of its official name, and it capitalizes "The" in the middle of a sentence. See, e.g., [1]. But OSU's style is not our concern, and the Ritz-Carlton's preferred style isn't either. For consistency, Wikipedia articles use Wikipedia style. Ground Zero | t 12:34, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

OSU's style is not our concern, WP's is. And we do not include the definite article in the title of our article on OSU. MOS:THECAPS says to "Use the same capitalization as the title of the article" and lists several examples. In those examples, if the definite article is present in the title of the WP article, then we capitalize it. Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Hm, the "title of article" argument does seem to trump the arguments I've put forward. I think there is an argument to be made under WP:COMMONNAME, but I would have to make that argument to move the Ritz-Carlton article instead of making it here, so I will stand down on this one. It still feels like we are giving in to corporate styling, but it won't mean the end of the world. Ground Zero | t 14:27, 14 November 2016 (UTC)