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Bad example[edit]

While an example may be useful in this section, The Rippa robot example doesn't illustrate a minimum viable product, because the creators of the product are not testing a business hypothesis, such as if there is a need for a weed picking robot. This example illustrates a quality control test, not a minimum viable product release.

LaughingIshikawa (talk) 20:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The definition of "minimum viable product" in ""The Dynamic Balance Between Cost, Schedule, Features, and Quality in Software Development Projects" is clearly for a product that ships (likely for revenue). The definition of an MVP that is a "smoke test" or "fake page" is clearly at variance with this definition as the feature/product is not actually deployed/shipped (or paid for). I also offer another citation from 2002 at this aligns with the W. S. Junk paper definition from 2000. Skmurphy (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agree and generalise. The definition given was for the "optimum profitable" product which is almost the exact opposite of the "minimum viable". The aim of "minimum viable" is to avoid developing expensive features which are thought to much increase profit, but might be useless if the whole product is a failure for other reasons (such as too strong competition). I edited the introduction to the article. StacksofHoy (talk) 13:57, 11 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I removed "smoke test" and fake page. Clearly these are not viable products (talk) 12:54, 24 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inc magazine[edit]

I thought it might be useful to include this perspective about MVP from Inc magazine (disclaimer: I'm part of the story): --Ericries (talk) 01:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I added the link. There are some junk (non-authoritative) links in there that I'd like to see removed and some more authoritative links I'd like to see as citations. jason (talk) 03:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cool, thanks. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. --Ericries (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Test-driven development[edit]

The comparison with TDD at the end of the page does not make much sense to me: I see what the author implies, but the approaches are really not the same. Indeed, in both cases, code comes after the fact, but that is all they have in common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reference 4[edit]

Problem: reference 4 is put directly into the references section. --Mortense (talk) 10:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reference Bill Junk[edit] does not exist anymore — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Change title[edit]

Shouldn't the article name be Minimum Viable Product, in captial vs. Minimum viable product ?

I don't know how to change it though

Take a look in Minimum Marketable Feature article, it has see also for Minimm Vaiable Product but the link is broken because of the capitalization problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:25, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Emerging applications" is a stretch[edit]

Calling "minimum viable cofounder" and "minimum viable team" "emerging applications" seems like quite a stretch to me. I couldn't find any other references to "minimum viable cofounder" other than the linked article and secondary articles just referring to the first one. The cofounder/team is also philosophically different from the product. An MVP is designed from the outset to be replaced as soon as it has served its learning purpose. Its probably not a good idea to use that philosophy for your team. Ultimately, I think a couple writers were just using buzzwords to generate clicks for their articles rather than actually developing useful ideas. Not very encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericksonla (talkcontribs) 14:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agreed. Removing that whole section would do nothing but improve the article.2605:6000:F343:F300:88A7:19D9:E941:1FC (talk) 11:22, 6 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Illustration removed[edit]

I'll remove the misleading illustration. Clearly, if you are a car maker, you do not go to market with a skateboard, then somehow evolve that into a car by morphing it via a bicycle. Bjornte (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MVP and BVP[edit]

I plan on contributing to the discussion by providing a discussion on billable viable products, which serve the same purpose as MVPs (to test business hypotheses) but confirms or refutes the viability of the business model by testing whether people would buy it (testing by revenue/profitability) rather than the viability of the product itself Salazovar (talk) 03:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Key Elements of an MVP[edit]

"To Reis, an MVP wasn’t necessarily an application prototype; it was a market test.". By far it isn't meant to have production quality aspects. "An MVP must include these key elements in production quality:". The only reference to these elements are on the linked blog, of whom the author is not a recognized thought leader, subject matter expert of Lean UX. A true MVP is something to test your hypothesis, to get an answer on something you need to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:31, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]