Talk:Minority Report (film)/GA1

GA Reassessment[edit]

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This article needs to have a few points resolved in order to keep its GA status.

Better organization. Right now, there are too many level 2 headers; some of them can certainly be grouped together under a common level 2 header.
Too much emphasis on the story and not enough on the film's creation. The Plot section is over 1000 words when it should be less than 700. Cast and characters could give more information on the background of each character, the selection process for each actor, etc.
Production can definitely be longer, what with "making of" specials and whatnot.
Reception should be longer, too; it's not like the article did not get many reviews. There are many reviews to draw from for this article.

Gary King (talk) 17:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There should be some print resources available that would provide details as to production; having only electronic notes tends to make me think that there may still be a need to research further. FWIW Bzuk (talk) 13:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Since the primary contributor disappeared without a trace, think I'll take the responsabilities (after all, I've nominated for the GA and did most of its requests). Already done some rearranging, and reduced the plot to 866 words (other GAs have summaries of similar length - The Dark Knight: 847 - and the plot is complicated, don't know if it can be shortened further). Will improve Reception and Production later. igordebraga ≠ 02:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plot is still too long, at 869 words. A few things can be trimmed, such as how the characters learned the things they did. Instead of detailing what they did to learn something, you could just say they learned it. Like the part about Agatha's mind being hacked, it could be shortened to something like "Anderton takes Agatha to a hacker, who extracts a vision from Agatha depicting the murder of a woman named Anne Lively."
"After assessing Crow's murder, Witwer becomes doubtful that Anderton had killed in cold blood, and approaches the Precrime division's director Lamar Burgess. Witwer reveals to Burgess that, through the differing visions of the murder of Lively, someone has managed to manipulate the system to a desired outcome by first faking a murder and then recreating the same setting to perform the actual murder. Because precogs sometimes experience relapses, or "echoes," of past murders, technicians at Precrime would disregard the vision as an echo. Witwer then points out that the killer would have to have been someone with proper clearance to view the precog visions. At this, Burgess kills Witwer, knowing that his crime would not be detected without Agatha present, and framing Anderton for the murder." ...
... can be shortened to something like "Witer doubts that Anderton killed in cold blood, and approaches the Prime division's director Lamar Burgess. Witer observes that someone must have manipulated the system to fake the murder, when Burgess suddenly kills him."

Gary King (talk) 17:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done as you asked, now Plot is 772 words long. Production was expanded. Just need some time to work on Reception. igordebraga ≠ 01:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's still too long at over 700 words. I don't take that 700-word limit literally, though, meaning if the Plot is 699 words, it's sufficient; anything extra from the plot needs to be trimmed out, and there is more there than is necessary, similar to the examples I gave above. Gary King (talk) 03:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plot can still be trimmed, and at the very least, Reception can be expanded as there are many web sources for that. Production can also be improved; it will require getting books and DVD commentary most likely. Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones was released around the same time for instance, with similar budgets, but it has a lot more information. Gary King (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reception, I could give it a try. Production, considering that your analogy isn't as good (unlike AOTC, the Minority Report DVD doesn't have commentary tracks, and the documentaries, while good enough for the expansion I just gave, aren't much "in-depth"), maybe. Plot... if I put a number between 700 and 710, will you let it go (it's currently 721)? igordebraga ≠ 22:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a bunch of featurettes and whatnot on the Special Edition version of the film's DVD. Gary King (talk) 23:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You think I don't know it? Anyway, if you want more info in Production, later I'll put it there. igordebraga ≠ 02:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't think you knew that. I will check every one of your edits before commenting on anything in the future. Gary King (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's just that the Production section had lots of refs to the DVD by the time you made that comment, showing possible overlooking...anyway, reduced plot to 703 words, put some more info in Production, and expanded Reception to 3 paragraphs. Anything else needed? igordebraga ≠ 02:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Plot is still too long, and it can still be shortened further.
- For instance, "After going through an eye transplantation to avoid detection from iris scanners in the city" can be completely removed.
- I don't think "Agatha tries to tell him that he can still choose not to kill Crow." is really necessary, too.
- "Crow admits that his family would be paid handsomely if he planted these photos and then was killed, and after Anderton refuses to kill him, Crow grabs his hand and makes him fire at point-blank range." seems like it can be shortened to a shorter sentence.
- "Anderton decides to approach Lara for refuge, and while hiding out, Anderton realizes that his knowledge of the Lively case is why he is being targeted; Lively was the mother of Agatha and formerly a drug addict, who managed to clean herself up and wanted to see her daughter again." can be shortened, by removing the information that he is hiding out, and merging his realization with the fact that he uncovers into a smoother sentence.
In general, the article needs a copyedit. There are too many repeated or unnecessary words, or some ambiguity.
- For example, "force, which uses future visions generated by three "precogs", mutated humans with precognition abilities, to" could be "force. They use future visions generated by three mutated humans with precognition abilities called "precogs" to"

Gary King (talk) 05:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done the plot requests, you can give me the copy-edit examples if necessary. igordebraga ≠ 09:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest getting a copyeditor to copyedit the article as it really needs the work. Gary King (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did a copy edit, hopefully this is better now. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay it's good now. Gary King (talk) 01:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]