Talk:Minskoff Theatre/GA1

GA Review

Passed CMD (talk) 09:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs) 03:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will take a look at this. As an initial query, 2014 cannot be the latest year for which we have broadway gross data surely? Also a bit confused whether ownership is fully with the Nederlanders at this point. CMD (talk) 03:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking this up. Regarding your first question, it's not that 2014 is the most recent data for which production gross data is available; it's that The Lion King became the highest-grossing Broadway musical ever in 2014. I have clarified it. As for your second question, I've changed "owner" to "operator". Epicgenius (talk) 04:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"midblock passageway" is a very NYC-specific term, is there a way to tweak for a more general audience?
- Yes. I have done so. Epicgenius (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"in exchange, One Astor Plaza's developers were allowed to add several floors of space", confused as to what this is saying. What else would floors have? And does this mean add on top of the previously planned structure (ie. make it higher)?
- That is correct. Epicgenius (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is implied with some background knowledge that this is the only The Lion King in Broadway/NYC, but I'm not sure that would be understood from an outside perspective. If there is a way this could be more explicit, that would be helpful, although I am not saying it is necessary for GA.
- Are you asking me to clarify that The Lion King is only being performed at this theater? It did perform at another theater prior to 2006, but it is now at the Minskoff Theatre. Epicgenius (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Design

"this arcade leads from", this reads oddly to me, but please let me know if this is an engvar thing.
- I have fixed this. It may be an ENGVAR thing, but it's also not concise, even in American English. Epicgenius (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is there somewhere "orchestra" could link to? I get a vague understanding from context but it's not the usual meaning of the word.
- Unfortunately there is not, but it's usually the lowest level of seating (where the orchestra pit may be). Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The Minskoff is the first fully", should "is" be "was"? Or are there still no others?
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History

"By contrast", unclear what exactly is meant to be contrasted here. Expanding office towers is not the same as preserving older ones. There is also no inherent link between preserving old theaters and having one or not having one in new builds.
- Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"...the first completely new Broadway theaters to be built since...", should the tense of this perhaps change, eg. "...which would be the first..."
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"had not been consulted in the theater's design" is a grammatical focus on a single theater, whereas the rest of this paragraph treats the topic as both this theater and the Uris one.
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lot of repetition of Irene in the first paragraph of the 1970s subsection and the end of the preceding paragraph.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm reading this correctly then the second paragraph of 1970s is the list of "series of concerts, ballets, and flop musicals", in which case the "series of concerts, ballets, and flop musicals" sentence might work better as the opening of that paragraph.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The show squandered its entire $12 million investment", how does a show squander investment exactly? What differentiates this from any other flop?
- Many Broadway shows are expected to operate at a net loss when they open, but it's typically expected that a hit would recoup its initial costs quite quickly. Dance of the Vampires cost $12 million to produce, but it didn't make any net profit; the show cost $600,000 per week, and ticket sales only averaged $600,000 a week by the time it closed. This means the show lost more than almost any other Broadway show, making it a particularly notable flop. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"achieved the box office record for the Minskoff Theatre", unclear what exactly this means. Does this mean it has made the most out of any play showing in Minskoff, or did Minskoff do better than all other broadway theaters that year?
- This means that the show was more successful than any other at the Minskoff. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notable productions

I would expect this list to include the range of years rather than just the opening year, but if including only the opening is something standard, then that's fine.
- Yes, mentioning only the opening year in the "Productions" section is standard for Broadway theaters. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General

Can't access some sources, but spotchecks (inc. Rosenblum 1977 and McKinley 2003) found no issues with either OR or plagiarism. Surprised there aren't more images, but the ones present are correctly licensed. Noting many of the issues I raised have been addressed already, putting this on hold for the remaining small tweaks, apologies this review took so long. CMD (talk) 02:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis: Thanks for the review, and it's not an issue. I was also busy in real life during the past few weeks. I have now addressed all of the issues you've brought up. Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat perplexed as to how the Lion King only became the highest grossing show at the Minskoff Theatre in 2019, despite all previous shows being disappointing at best, and it being 13 years since it opened at the Minskoff and five years since it became the highest-grossing broadway musical ever. If I'm missing something crucial here, I hope the article is edited to clarify. However, I don't think that one issue holds back GA status, and other issues have been resolved or explained, so I will pass this now. Thank you for your detailed responses and the interesting read, well done making the History section somehow flow. CMD (talk) 09:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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