Talk:Mormon population statistics
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Picture order
[edit]I'm not so sure I like the new arrangement on this, but I'm not experienced enough to fix it myself. I don't think the order matters too much, but the new format doesn't fit with the layout of the names, and it makes it obvious that the pictures are different sizes (example, Romney's picture looks really small now, and is surrounded by white space. On the other hand, I do like Marie Osmond on the right (so she's facing in). Do you think you could do something about this Burnett? -- Adjwilley (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Replacing pictures
[edit]In response to some recent criticism (see Wikipedia:Peer review/Mormons/archive1) I have replaced a couple of pictures. I took out two political-type figures (Huntsman and Beck) and replaced them with Jane Manning (an early black convert who lived in Joseph Smith's household and was the first black pioneer to come to Utah) and Dieter Uchtdorf, the German Aviator and LDS General Authority. Part of the criticism was that all the "celebs" were Americans, so Uchtdorf kind of helps that, even though he's still white and male. Auntie Jane (as she was called) helps remedy what I have long seen as a problem, that is that seven of the nine were male, and all of them were white. I think this can still be improved, but I'm not sure how. -- Adjwilley (talk) 00:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- It looks like my edits have been reverted on grounds of "notability". It may be that Uchtdorf is less notable than Huntsman and Beck, who were both in the political spotlight recently (see WP:Recentism, however). The larger problem, however, is that of the 9 slots in this template, 7 are occupied by men, and 4 are occupied by current male political figures, and all 9 are American. While it would be impossible to choose 9 notable figures who represent a cross-section of Mormons, this recent revert, in my opinion, is a step in the wrong direction. Ideally I'd like to replace Manning with a notable figure from Central or South America, but I haven't found one yet. Are there any thoughts on this? ~Adjwilley (talk) 04:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- It is realistic because the largest Mormon branch is somewhat patriarchal and the Mormon faith also mostly consists of whites and Americans. Pass a Method talk 04:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, there are more Mormon women than men, the Mormon faith does not consist mostly of whites, and a majority of Mormons are not from the United States. The LDS Church does have a patriarchal structure, but if that's your argument, then why did you just remove Uchtdorf, who was the only current Mormon leader in the template? ~Adjwilley (talk) 05:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- i dont really mind replacing Uchtdorf, but your statement on Mormonism and patriarchy is contradicted by the article Women and Mormonism. Pass a Method talk 05:18, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- Could you please be specific? What part of the article contradicts what I said? I said that the LDS Church has a patriarchal structure. The article calls it a "Catholic-like patriarchal system". ~Adjwilley (talk) 05:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- i dont really mind replacing Uchtdorf, but your statement on Mormonism and patriarchy is contradicted by the article Women and Mormonism. Pass a Method talk 05:18, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, there are more Mormon women than men, the Mormon faith does not consist mostly of whites, and a majority of Mormons are not from the United States. The LDS Church does have a patriarchal structure, but if that's your argument, then why did you just remove Uchtdorf, who was the only current Mormon leader in the template? ~Adjwilley (talk) 05:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- It is realistic because the largest Mormon branch is somewhat patriarchal and the Mormon faith also mostly consists of whites and Americans. Pass a Method talk 04:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)