Talk:Motion City Soundtrack/Archive 1

New Wave

Ummm under wiki's definition i dont think MCS are new wave, I think powerpop fits them perfectly, new wave is not really needed. --Koala72 09:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

band's picture

why does the band's picture keep disappearing? --ZookPS3 16:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe whatever picture was up there was copyrighted and not allowed to be posted? Does anyone out there have an adequate picture to share that they have copyrights to? --Molly1984 20:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

the only decent one probably doesn't have a copyright so it can't be uploaded. --ZookPS3 00:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Colombia fan base

I removed the reference to Colombia as a country with a strong fan base for MCS. I could not find any radio stations in Colombia whom have played songs by MCS with any relevant frequency; or that have them in their regular rotations for that matter. Furthermore, movement of MCS cds is slow in South America in general. The user who added that contribution probably needs to understand that the small, elite group of English speakers he and his friends belongs to does not speak for a country of over 56 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.83.247 (talk) 21:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

stand against crowd violence

i just went to an mcs concert and it was my first one, but justin mentioned inbetween songs that people moshing should stop, and instead take after the japanese and hold hands and dance in a circle then hug afterwards. this was lighthearted but serious, then later in the show, he stopped in the middle of a song to tell a guy to stop jumping around and acting like a general idiot. he asked security to get the guy so he could talk some sense into him. is this a common theme, or just an isolated incidence? --Tom.gabriele 02:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The Great American Freedom Machine

Motion City did not play under this name in the bamboozle tour 2007, the band Glassjaw was rumored to play under this name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tgreensuno (talk • contribs) 15:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

mcs

why was motion city an entirely different band formerly? wtf happened? is it 2 different bands or something, i am so confused. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.17.64 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Justin and Joshua have been with the band their entire career, and Jesse Johnson was the only one to ever play synth (even though he joined later) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FinalWish (talk • contribs) 17:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

actually Justin used to play synth. thats why they got jesse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

influences

how about an influences section? i've spotted at least two references to seminal indie/emo bands on the "commit this to memory album", and i'm sure there are more:

1) in the song "hold me down", pierre sings "you're the reason why I burst and why I bloom" which i believe is a reference to cursive's album "burst and bloom"

2) in the song "let's get fucked up and die", he sings "I want to thank you for being a part of my forget-me-nots and marigolds/and other things that don't get old/is it legal to do this? i surely don't know/it's the only way I have learned to express myself, through other peoples' descriptions of life" which is obviously a reference to the promise ring's song "forget me", where von bohlen sings "Where forget-me-nots and marigolds and other things that don't get old…" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.121.77 (talk) 05:38, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

yes i agree because a lot of things in there lyrics like time turned fragile that is a verse in a limbeck song and hi everythings great everythings fine is the name of a limbeck album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

To do..

- I Am the Movie

Rewrite

- Commit This to Memory

Production, Singles info

- Even if it kills me

Singles info

- −Influence and Style section

 Done —kiac (talk) 07:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Just for me, will delete when done over the next week or so, i hope. --kiac (talk) 05:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

3rd Single off of Even if it Kills Me?

According to here, it is "Even if it Kills Me (song)" Though i have not seen any evidenceo of this. "It Had to Be You" has just had a stop-motion video made for it, would this not make it the 3rd single off the album? (or maybe 4th, if "Eiikm" was an actual single). --kiac (talk) 10:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Aussie you don't know shit about this band why do you feel the need to correct things you don't know its like the fucking retarded leading the blind. Motion City Soundtrack had a fan competition to make a music video for there 3rd single which was guess what It Had To Be You, and some American girl won it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk • contribs) 10:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Precisely. In Australia we learn to read dates. Clearly that was posted in February. Before the third single had been announced or released. Yes i do know that MCS held a competition through mtvU's Best Film on Campus, now. An American Uni student won, yes you are correct, congratulations you have passed grade 1 in stating the obvious. --kiac (talk) 10:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Please do not edit the genre without discussion here first. All discussion about genre should go here. Genre stays as it is (will be reverted), unless someone puts up a referenced and proven argument. --kiac (talk) 05:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I Don't think they are power pop either because power pop is normally radio friendly bands that write stale boring love songs. Motion City Soundtrack's songs are more complex and aren't all about love i.e. Capital H is about being drunk. If you are OCD about putting something there might I suggest pop rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for finally naming a reason! I think you might have a misconscrewed view on these genres? Taken from Power pop: "It typically incorporates a combination of musical devices such as strong melodies, crisp vocal harmonies, economical arrangements, and prominent guitar riffs. Instrumental solos are usually kept to a minimum, and blues elements are largely downplayed. Recordings tend to display production values that lean toward compression and a forceful drum beat. Instruments usually include one or more electric guitars, an electric bass guitar, a drum kit, and sometimes electric keyboards or synthesizers."

Melodies/Harmonies: Justin Pierre is known for it. Forceful drum beat: All through Commit This to Memory [Eg. notably "Time Turn Fragile" (2:25)]. They incorporate 2 guitars, Justin Pierre and Joshua Cain. Bass: Matt Taylor. Mainly though, a massive part of MCS' sound is the moog synthesizer and electric keyboard, which is a big part of power pop music. It is also a derivative of pop punk, which they clearly incorporate as well.

Pop rock, however, is a mainly guitar-based genre, where light lyrics are dominated by the music. I see where you're coming from, but they are a more specific form of pop rock, and Motion City Soundtrack were added to that article (pop rock) on opinion, they do not feature in the reference, and i hate it when people do that. --[User:Kiac|kiac]] (talk) 03:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

okay okay listen to bands like of Montreal, MGMT, and The Apples In Stereo those are definitely power pop bands but it seems since the lyrics of motion city soundtrack, even though crisp and clear almost seem more emo then pop. If You look at there influence such as the pixies and superchunk and braid these are more of the indie, pop rock, and emo genres. (Please don't base your decision on what wikipedia says as an answer.) One more thing if you go into a music store every band from Daughtry to My Morning jacket is called pop rock and there is a big difference between them. thanks for understanding :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk) 22:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

You stamp down on me for referring to wikipedia, while you refer to personal opinion? Of Montreal and MGMT both have no mention of power pop, where does your opinion come from? And what are you saying, MCS is not power pop because their lyrics are emo? How are their lyrics emo? Because he says "Lets get fucked up and die" (in a sarcastic/ironic sense)? They're wittier and smarter than emo. So, pop rock has a wider range? Daughtry are pop rock, do you see them with a synth (indicating facter towards power pop!)? Just because pop rock covers a bigger range of bands doesn't mean it covers this one, power pop describes a more specific style, the style that MCS possesses. --kiac (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

okay again you listen to wikipedia its hard to believe because i could go over to the power pop page and fuck with it but i'm not going to and there is nothing wrong with emo music its people like you who keep fucking up music you think emo is bands like mcr and fall out boy okay let me tell you something douche theyrnt real emo and i dont care wtf wikipedia says iis bands like mineral and sunny day real estate and besides the metal band dragonforce has a synth player but theyrnt power pop. open ur ears and shut ur good damn mouth fucker!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello I think that Motion City Soundtrack should be also called pop rock because on their myspace page the three genres that they call themselves are and I quote "Rock/Pop/Punk" they are also Indie because of their label (Epitaph). To the person who thought they were power pop I understand where you are coming from but if you use wikipedia (which is where you seem to be getting all your information) pop rock does use synthesizers just like power pop and if you look at the sub genres they do include power pop, pop punk, and emo (think more of I Am the Movie). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk) 17:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Well thank you for your complete understanding and have a great day mate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. FixIt902 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Well Aussie, I'm waiting... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk) 22:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Waiting for what? You lost all dignity when you flung that abuse at me, i'm no longer willing to comply. If you want your way, take the proper measures, and since you think you're top shit, you can find your own way there. --kiac (talk) 05:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Abuse? what the hell do you mean abuse Aussie isn't an offensive term like the "N" word, but if you want abuse you'll get it Kangaroo Jack. Listen mate you have yet to give any reason why it should be power pop I have listened to bands that label themselves power pop like Farewell (band) another band signed to Epitaph Records. They tend to use the synth more like a instrument rather then a effect. Motion City Soundtrack uses the Moog in intros to songs and chorus not through out like in power pop therefore they are better off being label pop rock. This maybe because Jesse learned how to play the Moog really fast and Justin didn't want to stress him out I don't know, but if you listen to I Am the Movie and Commit This To Memory and not the watered down radio Friendly poorly produced Even If It Kills Me then you will see that yes the Moog is there and yes he does play it but it is the other instruments, no Justin's genius vocals that are the main focus. good day you Aussie bastard I am through talking to some down under asshole who can trace his ancestry to a bunch of British criminals and rejects. Why don't you do what the Crocodile Hunter did and fall on a stingray you koala bear fucking faggot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.64.155 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok buddy, here's how it is. The admins haven't banned you, i think you are mighty lucky, but oh well whatever. I don't see what your problem with Australia is, it's a lovely country, a country that doesn't breed racist rednecks (notably from Texas of all places, amiright?). Anyway, i have reverted your edits, for three reasons. 1) We should concur, ya? Dispute resolution will help maybe?. 2) WP:POV - you are using your own opinion, point of view, etc. That is not allowed on wikipedia. 3) You are using original research, which is also not allowed. Plain and simply i'll put it to you, if you continue to break these rules of wikipedia i am NOT going to bother with you again. And i promise i will bitch and moan to every admin i can find (maybe an Aussie one will react harsher?) so they ban your racist ass. I am trying to keep a lid on this, but you are a pig and i find it very offensive that you call me a koala BEAR, koalas are not bears. Oh another thing, yes i know what assholes, stingrays, criminals and kangaroos are, no need to link me to them, nice to see you learnt a new trick though, congrats! People like you must embarrass those great citizens of America, have you seen them?

While using Wikipedia we should discuss the issue, not personally attack contributors, so i believe you first should pull your head out of the horse's ass, open your eyes to the world and realize you're not all that great, in fact you just abused someone for being Australian, after he stopped you from changing a genre to pop rock. Hello? I then shall follow. Oh and you say i know "nothing" about this band? Read the article did you? 95% of it was written by me... if that's "nothing" then i'd like to see you contribute your wealth of knowledge that i seem to have missed!

Don't forget to mark your posts. Not that it matters, there's a thing called history. --kiac (talk) 12:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)