Talk:Mujahid Kamran

Removal of sourced material

Please do not remove well-sourced material from the article even if you're currently working on it. Either make amendments gradually, so that the article is preserved and improved, or do bulk editing in a "sandbox", such as a sub-page on your user account, then move the amendments to the article proper. Thank you! Asav (talk) 13:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If the material in the article is not properly cited (ie with footnotes referencing specific sentences in the article body) by this time tomorrow, I will restore the sourced version of the page at that time. I will post welcome notices on Manobe's page, and that of the most recent anon, in case they do not understand how to properly cite on WP. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 13:23, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

As the content of the article still had no citations extant, I have reverted to the version which is actually cited, per my comment from yesterday. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 21:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Given that this conflict is between a reviewer and two I.P.s who only edit one article and the talk pages of users who edit said article, I will push for the version of the page that Carl advocates we stick with. A F K When Needed 15:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see I was mistaken when writing the above, but the talk page of the second I.P. is far from re-assuring.

In any event, I have trouble believing that they edit with a Neutral Point of View, and correct or incorrect, are going about implementing their changes the wrong way. A F K When Needed 15:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Mr. "When Needed" and Mr. Carl, whoever you are, do not change the page anymore. It has now all the references that you wanted to be there. We have only corrected the wrong information. Dr. Kamran has nothing to do with the Chagi experiment and was never awarded a Hilal-i-Imtiaz but pride of performance. Look at the page http://prizes.ictp.it/pio/words/news/1998/news_1998_Sep_03.news/?searchterm=Masud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.233.149.195 (talk) 15:48, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

What, in your opinion, is the correct way to edit the page? Write it down here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.233.149.195 (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Anything that is in the more referenced version that you say is not verifiable, please demonstrate how it is wrong. I would prefer to go through the article sentence-by-sentence if we must, but wholesale changes of an entire section on either of our sides is not being particularly constructive. I hope you understand why I've been reverting you: WP aims at verifiability, so when you provide a section with few or no sources to replace a section with like six sources, it is hard to believe that your version is more verifiable. But please provide single issues at a time on this page, and we can work through them. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:47, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm perfectly happy to help in any way that I can. Otherwise, anything that satisfies Carl will be fine by me. A F K When Needed 17:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

On the page, the academic career is completely wrong. Can you tell us what this two links refer to

1. ^ Science Odyssey: Pakistan Nuclear Emergence: The Theoretical Physics Group
2. ^ Proton proton total cross sections and the neglect of masses in data fitting in the Regge region, Mujaid Kamran, The Nucleus, PAEC

I cannot click on them and there is no web link. You are using it to refer that Dr.Kamran was related to chagi project where is the original article-how do you verify that -Please explain.

I am talking about reference 6 and 7 in the following lines: The greater part of his work was to calculate the yield in the Theoretical Physics Group[6]. As TPG led the groundbreaking work in the theorized nuclear fission, he was a part of team that was assigned to carried out the calculations in Proton–proton chain reaction in 1981[7].

Then you keep saying that He was tasked to carried out the calculation and predicting the correct yield — an amount of energy discharged when a weapon is detonated. For this, he was conferred with Hilal-i-Imtiaz in 1998[8].

First of all, he was never awarded Hilal-i-Imtiaz. Can you read carefully the reference [8]. What do you find there? Do you understand it? The reference [8] says Dr. Kamran was one of those who received pride of performance. It was someone else who received Hilal-i-Imtiaz. http://prizes.ictp.it/pio/words/news/1998/news_1998_Sep_03.news/?searchterm=Masud Then you keep saying that "For this, he was conferred with Hilal-i-Imtiaz in 1998[8]" how do you know for which reason he was awarded the (pride of performance) and not Hilal-i-Imtiaz? Do you have any reference for that? Can you point to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.233.149.195 (talk) 22:04, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for demonstrating how the sources used here are insufficient. Reference 6 shouldn't be used, as we can't find it. I found reference 7, but it is so technical I can barely understand the abstract. And we can reduce everything sourced by 8 to just say that he was given the President's Award for Pride of Performance. I'm sorry this took so long to sort through, but I hope you understand that accounts focusing on a single article, and removing referenced material (even when the references turn out to be poor), is "fishy" initially, to an experienced editor. In my estimation our dispute has been resolved. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Carl, does this mean that we can revert the page back to our latest version? or should we make modification to what you have right now? If so, once we change, could you kindly let your team know that this should not be reverted again. One more thing, reference 7 was published in Australain journal of Physics (and not The Nucleus)and can be found here: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?irn=922218 There is no such thing as proton-proton chain reaction. Chain reactions involve neutrons see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_chain_reaction Another comment is about his presence at Chagi "He is reported to be eye-witnessed and present when country conducted the successful test, codename Chagai-I, on May 28th, and the last nuclear test, codename Chagai-II, on May 30th of 1998. " What is the source here? Who reported that. This needs to be removed. Because there is neither a source not is it true. Also there is no Physics Hall in Punjab University(what is the basis/reference on which the non-existent Physics Hall is mentioned?). What is the basis that he was a member of Riazuddin`s group? There must be a reference that tells you this? Can you please point to that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.233.149.195 (talk) 16:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would be fine with returning it to your latest version. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you remove the restrictions form the page-as it has been protected from being edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.141.35.154 (talk) 08:52, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

The protection will expire tomorrow. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)