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Attention needed[edit]

This article could be improved by dividing it into sections; see Wikipedia:Guide to layout#Structure of the article.
-,-~R'lyehRising~-,- 18:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Ireland?[edit]

Weren't there also municipal boroughs in Ireland? john k 16:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Same question. Should we include them here or do we consider them to be different entities? MRSCTalk 07:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Added to the article now.Lozleader (talk) 10:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Abolition[edit]

This section does not mention London. Municipal Boroughs in London were not abolished by the '74 Act and neither did they amalgamate into / become Metropolitan Boroughs, but London Boroughs - sui generis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.48.201.29 (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The London Government Act 1963 (still in effect) [1] does state "The Municipal Corporations Act 1882 shall apply to every London borough". Although London boroughs are clearly different to pre-1974 non-county boroughs, it is probably true to say they are municipal boroughs in the same sense that pre-1974 county boroughs were also municipal boroughs. MRSC (talk) 20:54, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
This may explain why in legal documents the London Borough Councils are still described as "The Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses of" such-and-such a borough? The borough councils created under the LGA 1972 and later legislation don't do this AFAIK. Lozleader (talk) 10:52, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes. A practice that continued even after the abolition of aldermen, adapted to "The Mayor and Burgesses of". MRSC (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
It seems that this comes from the Charters of Incorporation granted to each of the boroughs in or about March and April 1964 and not the legislation per se. I haven't tracked down the actual text of one of the charters online, but these letters patent from the College of Arms contain a fairly detailed account of the arrangements: "certain new administrative areas known as London Boroughs have been established by the London Government Act 1963 and that by a Charter of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second bearing date the Tenth day of March 1964 it was granted ordered and declared that the London Borough comprised of the area of the existing Borough of Uxbridge and the existing Urban Districts of Hayes and Harlington, Ruislip-Northwood and Yiewsley and West Drayton be named the London Borough of Hillingdon and that the inhabitants of that Borough should be and were thereby incorporated by the name of The Mayor, Aldermen and Burgesses of the London Borough of Hillingdon with perpetual succession and a Common Seal" [2] Lozleader (talk)

From Hazell v Hammersmith and Fulham LBC:

Under the Act of 1963 every London borough was bound to be incorporated, either by the Crown under section 1(2) or by the minister under section 1(3). ... A Royal Charter dated 10 March 1964 referred to the Act of 1963 and recited that representations for incorporation had been made by the minister in accordance with the Act. The grant of incorporation was expressed to have been made "by virtue of our Prerogative Royal and in pursuance of the London Government Act 1963 and of all other powers and authorities enabling us in this behalf." The charter ordered and declared as follows:"

  1. The London borough comprised of the areas of the existing metropolitan boroughs of Fulham and Hammersmith (hereinafter referred to as 'the borough') shall be named 'the London Borough of Hammersmith.'
  2. The inhabitants of the borough shall be and are hereby incorporated by the name of 'the mayor, aldermen and burgesses of the London Borough of Hammersmith' with perpetual succession and a common seal..."

The London Government Act 1963 and the sections of the Local Government Act 1972 relating to London always refer to them as "London borough councils". MRSC (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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