Talk:Naja nigricincta

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Possible non-native population in North Carolina, US (July 2021)[edit]

Issue[edit]

There have been multiple additions and reversions regarding the inclusion of a non-native population of Naja nigricincta in parts of the United States. The inclusions are perhaps by one person using multiple IPs, so it's hard to discuss directly via user talk pages with the anonymous editors. Therefore I have started this discussion thread.

From what I can see in the revision history for this article, there may be one or more non-native (perhaps an escaped pet or breeding pair) of Naja nigricincta in parts of the US, specifically North Carolina.

I'd like to ask fellow registered editors who have reverted, such as @C.Fred: and @DanCherek: if there is any merit in including a new section for non-native populations, if the population can be verified by reliable sources?

If not, should we ask for this page to be protected in some fashion to prevent any further disruptive edits?

Let's try and reach a consensus and attempt to put this issue to bed without the risk of starting an edit war.

Thank you Textualism (talk) 08:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Textualism: The addition of Raleigh to the distribution range was clearly a reaction to the escape of an individual pet snake in Raleigh, NC, this week.[1] To that end, I dealt with it as obvious disruption, and I had seriously contemplated protecting the page. I had added the inline comment as an effort to keep from protecting the page.

It is clearly a non-native snake to NC. Compare to Burmese python: there is an established invasive population in Florida, but it is not mentioned as part of the native distribution of the snake. There is a separate section on it as an invasive species. However, the pythons are commonly known to be in Florida; there are no reports of cobras at large in NC, other than this one rogue snake.

If this species has been involved in multiple high-profile escapes (IIRC, one escaped in Florida a few years ago), then maybe we need a section on incidents with captive animals? But in the absence of multiple reliable sources stating there is a population in the wild, there is no reason to list NC as a location where the snake occurs. —C.Fred (talk) 11:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: A section for incidents with captive animals could be an ideal solution. Would seem to satisfy both preserving the native distribution and inclusion of the captives. However, as you have said, there's no sign multiple reliable sources. I do notice anons continuing to add in the possible incidents in NC. Do you know of any other similar pages with a precedent for the inclusion of a section for incidents with captive animals? I'll also try and find some... Thanks, Textualism (talk) 11:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I've been reading some seemingly relevant news articles and the snake was captured after being reported missing. I infer the snake was a pet. After the capture of the animal and no further reported incidents, the natural conclusion is that there are no populations of this snake in or around Raleigh, NC. Perhaps page protection is required until the recent news coverage of the escape and capture subside? Textualism (talk) 11:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]