Talk:National Archives of Ireland

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Repeated vandalism to include inaccurate "English Rule"

I have reverted to the following sentence as the insertion of "English Rule" is emotional, political, and factually untrue. Ireland went through several stages of Government covered by the archive including being in the UK. To characterise it all as "English Rule" is sloppy and misleading. The below sentence is accurate and as such should not be controversial.

"These papers were most often records relating to the administrations of the various Lord Lieutenants of Ireland, who acted as the representatives of the monarch" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.226.29 (talk) 21:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Split the difference, it was unquestionably under English rule and the LL was the instrument of that rule. There can be no greenwashing of history on this wiki. The vandalism is arguably trying to pretend Ireland was not under English rule and conquest.

It is not accurate to say that Ireland was ruled by England. It was ruled by a Monarch (Norman French, Tudor, Stuart etc), who was also Kind of England, England & Wales, Great Britain etc. Ireland had its own Parliament and then after 1801 was in the UK. It could not be ruled by an entity (England) that ended in 1707 (or earlier if you count Wales) and was not ruled by the UK, it was in the UK. Rather than recount 100s of years of history, just leave it as the "Lord Lieutenant represented the Monarch". It is not accurate to say it was the English Monarch, the Normans and the Stuarts were definitely not 'English'.

It is not inaccurate at all. I'm sorry that you are ashamed of your invasion and subsequent genocide in Ireland, but it is indisputable historic fact. You are trying to hide the fact that England was a foreign power that was occupying the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.31.251 (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

England rules Ireland, from then to now and forever.

The UK had (arguable has, if you count OTs) colonies, Great Britain had colonies, England/Wales had colonies pre 1707 (but England as a state does not exist) - Ireland was not one of them. Ireland (or part of it) was a Lordship held by the Monarch since the time of Henry II who was also the King of England, then a Kingdom in personal union ending up in the UK post 1800. 26 Counties left leaving 6 remaining in the UK. That is accurate. Your comments are not, anachronistic at the most charitable. So best leave it as just Monarch. Why the desire to inaccurately portray Ireland as something it was not?

Lets leave it at being ruled by England, as that is more accurate. Why do you, poster from the English Parliament IP address, want to ignore that?