Talk:Night Is the New Day

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So, just for the heck of it, I went looking for sources mentioning genres, so that we can source them and lay the discussion to rest. I have no idea what this album sounds like, nor do I care to listen to it to find out. Here's what I was able to find, source-wise:

  • Allmusic: "Swedish doom rockers", "programmed rhythms and trip-hop keyboards", "Katatonia are only notionally a metal band"
  • Popmatters: "keyboards, effects, and electronic touches", "churning, down-tuned metal chords", "chiming darkwave strains", "lead guitar fills by Nyström that sound more indebted to Aphex Twin than anything in the metal realm", "'Idle Blood' is a rare acoustic departure", "an arrangement of ambient synths" (interestingly, it also says this is "an album that defies categorization")
  • Rocksound: "equally brooding and heavy as it is melodic and urgent, atmospheric and progressive"
  • Blabbermouth: "The heavy parts", "quiet, somber electronics, and unobtrusive acoustic guitar accents", "ambient, echo-laden"
  • "Heavy guitars give way to an acoustic section before kicking back in. Mellow and progressive sections ensue", "electronica, with synths and poppy sections alternating with more traditional metal"
  • Sputnik (Staff): "synths and electronics", "the basic doom influence that they’ve made use of for years is still present", "semi-acoustic", "slightly more progressive sound", "their use of electronics and synths from a minor support role to a full-fledged piece of every track"

The main threads running through these reviews seem to be heavy metal music, electronic music, acoustic music (but a wikilink to that specific article doesn't seem to fit, so maybe there's a better related genre?), progressive something (rock? metal?). So maybe we can go from there? This way the information is sourced, and sourced from multiple references, and we can avoid random "I think they're (this) genre or (that) genre" additions (which can be reverted unless sourced).

If I missed something from those reviews, or missed other reliable sources (or was mistaken in thinking one of these was reliable when it isn't), bring it up. But maybe this way we can have valid sourced genres, without getting into genre wars or completely removing the information from the infobox. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 05:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

about the darkwave thing. the source says "chiming darkwave strains" but that doesn't mean the music is actually darkwave, just darkwave-ish. Really , have you heard darkwave?Xr 1 (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you're saying there. It doesn't blatantly say that the album is darkwave, but that it has passages that sound like darkwave music. That's my interpretation at least. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 22:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Alright, how about "electronic music", if darkwave is too specific/not applicable? The sources still support that. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather leave darkwave than add electronic music. some synth use doesn't make it electronic music.Xr 1 (talk) 23:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Keep in mind, the genres given are to be based off what reliable sources say, not our own opinions, and several do mention electronics in some form or another. But I'm open to either; if "darkwave" is preferred, so be it. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, actually they state a use of electronic and acoustic sounds, not that these are the main genres. What I want to say is the sources are misinterpreted - they do not say the album falls into the electronic or darkwave category, just that certain aspects of the music are akin to these styles. I suggest a new section where the descriptions given by the sources would be and leaving just metal in the genre's box.Xr 1 (talk) 12:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

A Musical style section would certainly be a good addition to the article. Please feel free to start one, with all statements backed up by sources. As for the infobox, there is enough mentions of "electronic", "electronica", "programmed rhythms", "keyboards", and especially "their use of electronics and synths from a minor support role to a full-fledged piece of every track", and so on, that some sort of electronic genre should appear in the infobox. Whether that is "darkwave" or "electronic music" or something else is open for debate. Personally, I now think that "electronic music" would be better, to be more representative of all the sources than the single mention of "darkwave". MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I did what I could. It's not the best but it's an improvement for the article.Xr 1 (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks good so far! I cleaned it up a bit, trimmed down a bit of stuff. I also added electronic music to the infobox with a source, as it seems to be an important part of the album, according to several sources. I agree with removing darkwave from the infobox. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 05:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The Musical Style, sourced as it is, is grossly non-neutral. I love the band too, but come on, if you're trying to describe the style, don't make it all poetic and expressive. We have the music for that. (talk) 21:37, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Alright, what specifically do you find to be non-neutral? What changes do you propose? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 23:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)