Talk:Nikolai Kuznetsov (admiral)

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Equivalence to Marshal[edit]

Where are the sources that say Admiral of the Fleet was made equivalent to the Marshal? There's probably a confusion with Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. --DmitryKo 22:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea, that was here from the orignal version, I left it without really thinking about it. I'll look into it. Crocodilicus 22:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fleet Admiral (Admiral of the Fleet) is not equivalent to Marshal but is to Army General (General of the Army). Confusion may have arisen due to Soviet practice where the one large star on shoulder-board insignia between the Fleet Admiral and Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union (Army General and Marshal) was only a slight size difference, not easily noticed by someone unfamiliar with the subtle difference. Furthering this potential confusion was that both ranks also wore a gold "Marshal's Star" with diamonds on a neck ribbon when in full dress uniform. This problem has been removed with current Russian rank insignia which uses 4 stars for a Fleet Admiral/Army General and there are no Fleet Admirals of Russia/Marshals currently on active duty in the Russian Armed Forces.Федоров (talk) 23:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's a narkom?[edit]

In this line "The Navy, however, constituted a distinct narkom, and thus Kuznetsov held a position which was technically outside of the direct chain of command. The admiral utilized this fact in a very bold move." What's a narkom? --Awiseman 19:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Narkom - Narodnyi Komisariat (People's Comiseriat), it was an adminstrative division in the Soviet Government, think department.Crocodilicus 23:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Narodnyi Komissariat - narkomat, narkom - Narodnyi Komissar (People's Commissar), the chief of narkomat. Sergei 15:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible connection?[edit]

There is a civil marine technical university in Saint Petersburg, but it is could not to have attitude to admiral Kuznetsov, he realy only could to do is the revival of the Nikolaevsky Military Engineering-Technical University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.100.11.193 (talk) 12:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WW2[edit]

Needs more information on WW2. Currently 2 paras on the start of the war, and 1 para on the rest.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry[edit]

Serbian immigrants in Arkhangelsk??? Neither his father's nor his mother's names and surnames sound Serbian, nor it was mentionedin anz Russian source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.139.5.163 (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with this comment and prefer reversion to information in Russian language Wiki as likely more correct. No source has been cited for previous information in the English language article.Федоров (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As a relative to Nikolai Kuznetsov I can confirm they are not Serbian as most of our relatives are from an area called Vologda in Russia. Ingvar_Solhaug (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article read like a communist leaflet[edit]

"Under Kuznetsov, the ship became an outstanding example of discipline and organization, quickly drawing attention to her young captain."

No source. Also a little unspecific. How and why did the ship become an example. What did he actually do? How does an outstanding ship draw attention anyways? Did they have shiny boots, while the other ships did not?

"Serving during the early stages of the Spanish Civil War, he developed a strong dislike of fascism."

This one is the worst offender. "he developed a strong dislike of fascism"?? First of all, who doesn't? What should this be part of a biographical Wikipedia article? What does it mean? What does it entail? Did he read about political philosophy while in Spain? Why do his likes and dislikes matter? Did he like icecream? When did he start liking icecream?

"Kuznetsov resisted the purges at every step, and his intervention saved the lives of many Soviet officers."

There should really be a source for this. Especially because he was in a high position during the purge and never implicated. This makes it highly likly that he did not resist.

Those three sentences I quoted above should simply be deleted. Or sourced. But please source them not from a communist propaganda leaflet.

"Kuznetsov played a crucial role during the first hours of the war – at this pivotal moment, his resolve and blatant disregard for orders averted the destruction of the Soviet Navy. By June 21, 1941, Kuznetzov was convinced of the inevitability of war with Nazi Germany. On the same day Semyon Timoshenko and Georgy Zhukov issued a directive prohibiting Soviet commanders from responding to "German provocations". The Navy, however, constituted a distinct ministry (narkomat), and thus Kuznetsov held a position which was technically outside the direct chain of command. He utilized this fact in a very bold move."

Why and how do we know that Kuznetzov became convinced of a war with Germany on that exact day? Source or no source. This should mention the cause of Kuzetzov's revelation. Did he dream of a war with Germany? Did God send him an angel? Did he receive intelligence?

I feel like the whole article is more a "source" from Soviet times about the admiral instead of a biographic article in a modern encyclopedia. Because it is written "propaganda style". I need to abstract when reading. It isn't factual, but glorifying.

Well, that's how they are written in Russian Wikipedia, but I might try to fix that (make it more neutral). :)--Biografer (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with some of what you have stated. In particular: "Kuznetsov himself was never implicated, but many of the officers under his command were. Kuznetsov resisted the purges at every step, and his intervention saved the lives of many Soviet officers." I am discomfitted & disappointed there is no source citation as, I would like to believe it. Yet, Kuznetsov progressing without implication despite purge resistance & officers beneath him somehow being saved, just does not ring true for the period. A period when the mediocre & Yes People progressed. A period when resistance was seen as "wrecking" & "sabotage". A period when the brilliantly bright - like Tukhachevsky, were murdered on fabricated charges. Perhaps all of this information is gleaned from The Great Soviet Encyclopaedia? Which I would be grateful to have an edition of. If so, maybe this article should just be left as written. It certainly reads as a curio. DieselEstate (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]