Talk:Nineteen Counties

earlier comment

Any chance of getting a list of the 19? Ambi 13:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Map

A map of the 19 counties would be nice. Andjam 07:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more :-). I will have a look for a copyright free image on the net but I am not drawing one. I do have some books with maps but those are within copyright.--A Y Arktos 07:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments July 2006

I was just looking at Portion U - Murray. It does go west to the Murrumbidgee but its the upper reaches of the Murrumbidgee well before that river going anywhere near current day Canberra. It is well east of the parish that is east of Tumut, (Buccleuch). The Murrumbidgee does a huge 'U' with the open bit facing south and Canberra in the middle of the bas eof the northen bit with the Hume Hwy way over end of the U near the opening or right top of the U there. Murray seems to have just past the Upper Murrumbidgee River as its Western boundary, and goes through Gundaroo on its northern boundry.

None of the Nineteen Counties are anywhere near the Hume Highway so the Nineteen Counties do not have much to do with the 1838 gazettals post the Faithfull Massacre.

I've copies of all the old Surveyor Generals maps for the Southern Region of NSW (about 20 of them) and none show the Hume Highway route south of Bowning. The road went west from Bowning though then, over to Coota then back over this way. This area was surveyed down the left hand side of the Murrumbidgee including up the Tumut R, then over along the Warragong Range then up to the highest hill, but that was it. They were pretty busy hiding hills till the 1840s so didnt want to get anything too correct. The area that covers north Gundagai that includes the Hume Highway, wasnt surveyed till 1838 when Larmer did that. Stapleton surveyed to the Tumut/Murrumbidgee Junction in 1832, then went up the Tumut River for Mitchell plus a lot of work was done in the Warragongs etc an daroudn Jellore and Talbragar.

There are decent maps in Andrews, A. 1992 'Major Mitchell's Map 1834: The saga of the Survey of the Nineteen Counties', Blubber Head Press, Tasmania.

The NSW and Vic Govs only gazetted that wriggly eastern bit of their common border about two months ago. It had never been done. Probably because its known the rivers are mixed up. Even when Vic was gazetted in 1851 the document said to south bank of the murrumbidgee (which may be the murray) and its been written off as an error. Errors like that are not made on important documents like that. The eastern bit of the border probably wasnt gazetted for 150 years as these cover up errors meant it was wiser to do nil.

When people say they crossed the Murray what does that mean? When people say they crossed the Hume R. what does that mean? The first one to me means they crossed the Murray Portion of Mitchells 19 Counties. The second means they crossed Humes River.

The list of the maps on the article page is all wrong. It says map 12 is the Murray. Map 12 is actually Cox's Colo area, for Mitchell Map portion M.

Murray (portion U) is on map 21 which shows the Abercrombie-Murrumbidgee area.

Andrews also has Mitchell's map superimposed over the 1892 NSW map that shows todays 'Counties' to show where Mitchells portions are these days.

The map engraver was deaf and dumb which was handy. Mitchell did some of the engraving himself so put the finishing details in so the other engraver didnt know all that was on the end result. There were I think, different versions put out so finding an online copy in the UK may show more detail. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.26 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC+10 hours)

Partial response - map numbering

The numbering scheme does not refer to map numbering but is a numbered list - ie Murrray is one of 19 counties, twelfth in this list--A Y Arktos\^talk 00:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Missing cites

This article is missing a heap of cites. Where does the info come from? Has it been made up or pagarised or both?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.218+10 hours (talk • contribs) 15:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note this user has since been banned from editing the wikipedia for one year for among other things being uncivil and assuming bad faith (Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors).--Golden Wattle ^talk 19:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC) (formerly known as AYArktos)

Note that on the article page they note the missing cites. Wattle snaps at comments that admins then also back up. Wattle/Artkos/and whatever your current rapidly and often changing name is - settle down. The Gundagai Editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.54.186.61 (talk) 09:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Wrong County?

I am just reading Iain Stuarts paper on surveying and landscapes in NSW, (the paper is from the Historical Archaeology Journal.)

It notes on page 48 that Surveyor Thomas McCord wrote 'Murray' as the county he surveyed but Iain Stuart reckons he should have put 'Cowley',

Why?

I think the surveyor would have known where he was, when he was there. Why in 2007 did Iain Stuart seek to overturn the content of licenced surveyors own historic records from 1887? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.54.186.241 (talk) 07:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

It was the Lands Department that noticed there was an error in the county in 1887 not me in 2007. I reported that among the many minor errors the surveyors made in the course of their work and how these were picked up in the Lands Department.

Iain Stuart (talk) 02:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)