Talk:Omnipotence

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Can God Create a Stone that He Cannot Lift?[edit]

This question is more than 800 years old. In asking this question, the questioner had already assumed the existence of gravity because of the word “lift” in the question. What is “lift”? My definition for “lift” is: Moving an object to the opposite direction of gravity. By definition, God created everything. Hence, God created gravity. Since God can create gravity, he can certainly make it disappear. So God can “lift” any stone. Put another way, this question could become: if God were to have an arm wrestling match between his left arm (gravity)and right arm (to “lift” the stone), which one would win? Both arms belong to God. This is not a contest; there is no winning or losing. Therefore this is a stupid question.

If God is omnipotent, God must be everything, everything must be God. Since "Outside everything" is an oxymoron, therefore “Outside God” is an oxymoron: if there is God, then there will be no “outside”; if there is an “outside”, then there will be no God. There is no gravity “outside” God. God doesn’t live in a gravitational field. For an omnipotent God, there is no such concept as “lift”. “Lift” only exists in human experience. Gravity, like everything else, exists inside God. For an omnipotent God, there is no such concept as “stand” either, because there is no ground “outside” God. By the same token,for an omnipotent God, there are no such concepts as “breathe”,“eat”,“drink”,“excrete”, “wear clothes”, “walk”,“sit”, “lie down”. God doesn't have a body. All bodies have skin, skin is the boundary of the body. God doesn't have boundary. Therefore, God doesn't have a face,nor shape. An ant looks at you while you are talking, it could see your lips and tongue moving. The ant asks you: “How do you lift your lips and tongue?” You reply: “It’s a stupid question.” A man sees that the Moon is moving, he asks God: “How do you lift the Moon?” God says: “It’s a stupid question.” —Teng Wang, Social Phenomena

Let's just say; it's something beyond our comprehension Classical josh (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Formatting[edit]

This is a minor pet peeve, but I have made a change in the past that moved item five out of the enumerated list into a separate paragraph, and someone keeps putting it back into the list. The first four items describe four different ways that describe what one means when says that God is omnipotent; the last item describes a non-omnipotent conception of God. It does not belong in the list! It should be separated out, in a different paragraph or otherwise not associated with the other four items. This is especially the case because the list is preceded with an introductory sentence that specifically says that it is a list of the different ways that one can conceive of omnipotence. The rejection of a doctrine of omnipotence is not an example of what one means when one says that God is omnipotent!


New POV problem[edit]

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omnipotence&curid=22776&diff=0&oldid=12236467

Both sides of this revision are with a POV, and the newest revision has poor grammar. Can it be changed, anyone? Edit: (Same user) this revision actually is not only gramatically problematic, but makes no real sense at all. Eggh. I fear changing it back, as the person may fight over it. 24.76.141.220 02:47, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Whatever, I'm just a timid non-registered person. I've made the change, shoot me (or revert it) if you choose, but I think I did the best I could to kill both biases. The user is making a change to the Omnipotence Paradox page though, so that may have to be watched. 24.76.141.220 03:04, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)


The problem lies in the logic behind the question. If you use two conflicting but equally accurate arguments, you are bound to run into a circular loop of nonsense. Or something like that.  :P

Omnipotence Also Literary[edit]

Just thought I would point out that as titled, this wiki doesn't seem specific enough, as Omnipotence can also be attributed as a literary perspective.

Atheistic Views of Omnipotence[edit]

I realize some may see this as kind of a stretch, however I find that this perspective belongs on this wiki.

What is Atheistic Omnipotence?[edit]

Simply put, it is the belief that existence [as a whole] is obviously 'all powerful'.

One can easily understand that the known universe contains all known sources of energy. It is also easy to understand that, the universe is comprised of countless unique individuals. Whether alive or not, the composition of existence is variable. However, we are all contained within the same space & it is absolute freedom which gives [holistic existence] omnipotence.