Talk:Opening Up

Disambiguation

This page needs a disambiguation, because there are much more primary uses for "Opening Up" besides a song title in a 2015 musical (based on a movie) soundtrack. I was expecting to see results related to books that do have entries, including "The Ethical Slut" and "More Than Two"...

https://openingup.net/about Website with resources around open relationships 2008-2016 by Tristan Taormino.
Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships, by Tristan Taormino, Trade paper ISBN 978-1-57344-295-4, published May 1, 2008.

I'm not familiar enough to know how to change this strange redirect into a disambiguation page, so help would be appreciated, thanks.

Jmichael2497 (talk) 19:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You might have to explain better. Neither of the pages you give mentions the term "opening up" (also, caps are important in article titles, other than the initial letter) although in the context it is possible to imagine that they might. Also, what is "primary" for you may not be for the majority of people. There are a couple of things I would suggest. First, play around in your sandbox, where you can edit to your heart's content without hurting anything. Second, create a page at Opening Up (disambiguation) and list the articles you think need to be on it. Once that page is settled, and possibly the linked articles improved, it will be much easier for people to assess whether one of them should be the primary article for this redirect, or whether the new disambiguation page should be moved over this redirect. Lithopsian (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

first of all, thanks for the explanations. i wasn't really sure how this should be done, but i figured it would be a work in progress of multiple stages. to answer and clarify regarding the three books...

they are commonly referenced together irl. the Ethical Slut (1997, 2009, 2017) has had several editions, maybe to stay relevant with the newer Opening Up (2008) and More Than Two (2014).

they are fairly well known and recommended for covering similar themes of open relationships. the book Opening Up, is 7 years older than a musical (based on a movie) soundtrack, with just a song title reference.

i would expect older literature to have logical precedence over a recent song title reference, especially in a general knowledge wiki search. of course if i started from the media wiki site, i'd expect music oriented rather than general knowledge and literature results.

i'm actually surprised, that even if there was no entry for the book Opening Up, that there also is not at least an entry for the website of the same name, especially considering it has been running for at least 8+ years.

like anything in here, it takes someone to start the ball rolling, and i thought i would give it a try, though seems like a steep learning curve up from minor typo revisions. perhaps this may be a project to pickup again later this year, but i have more completeable items on my to-do list lately. thanks for the pointers when ready, though. Jmichael2497 (talk) 22:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Picking a primary topic isn't always easy. Wikipedia has guidelines, the two main ones being "longterm significance" and what might be called popularity. "Popularity" purely in the sense that it is what Wikipedia readers looking for that term actually want to read about. Redirect and dab pages exist (almost) entirely to get people from where they thought they wanted to be to where they actually wanted to be. We are not making a moral judgement about the underlying importance of the term; hence music and other mass media tend to rate very high compared to more niche or academic subjects, however groundbreaking or seminal. "Longterm significance" is there so that this week's trending topic doesn't mean we have to change all the redirects, and so older topics are often preferred, although older isn't guaranteed to be the most longterm significant. When the relevant articles have existed for some time, the pageviews tool gives a good guide to the most popular articles. Even Google searches can give similar data, but you have to be careful about non-relevant returns and confirmation bias, and there is an element of judgement about whether the most popular article is actually the one that people wanted for a particular term. Have fun. Lithopsian (talk) 15:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]