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As a compilation album

Shouldn't Pin Ups be listed as a compilation album instead? If it is just a collection of cover versions of songs, shouldn't it be listed as a compilation album and not a studio album? 24.127.236.115 (talk) 22:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No it is a studio album. Studio albums can be covers albums. – zmbro _(talk) 15:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I Wish You Would

Hello, something to consider. The current wording "The final tracklist included ... Billy Boy Arnold's 'I Wish You Would',[b]" may be confusing to some who don't read it along with the footnote "[b] Bowie and Ronson used the Yardbirds' rendition of the song as the basis for their cover." Arnold wasn't one of the "bands which [Bowie] used to go and hear play down the Marquee between 1964 and 1967". It may be clearer to include it as "the Yardbirds' 'Shapes of Things', and their version/rendition/adaptation of Billy Boy Arnold's 'I Wish You Would', ..." or just "and their version of 'I Wish You Would'", since the song is linked (some of the other songs weren't written by the groups identified). I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but I remember a pre-fame bandmate/backing musician saying that Bowie & co were on the bill with the Yardbirds when they performed both songs. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:14, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo, Thanks for the tip! I agree it does give the wrong impression. It is now reworded. – zmbro _(talk) 15:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Could have been a good album, but ... I think he did a better tribute to the Yardbirds with "The Jean Genie". —Ojorojo (talk) 15:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo, Very much agree. This was actually the final Bowie album I listened to (even after the one everyone forgets about). It's just so meh and forgettable. It's no wonder "Sorrow" is the only track on here that continues to be added to compilations. – zmbro _(talk) 15:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tkbrett (talk · contribs) 13:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mine! Per my talk page, I may be a little slow in getting through this, but I will get through it! Tkbrett (✉) 13:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Recording and composition

Bowie also apparently considered making a Pin Ups sequel ...: Ditch "also apparently" (MOS:DOUBT). If the source expresses doubt, then make sure to attribute who is doing the doubting.

That was something I missed from before expansion, my bad. Removed apparently.

When was the album recorded? In the second paragraph it says "from July to August 1973", but the last sentence of the third paragraph says "Recording was completed on 31 July".

There's always discrepancies I find. Removed 31 July so we'll keep it July to August, as that seems much more realistic. – zmbro _(talk) 16:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release

The album had advance copies of 150,000, which was 50,000 more than its predecessor.: "its predecessor" is referring to Aladdin Sane, correct?

Yep specified.

Final comments and verdict

copyvio score of 60.5% due to a blog poster copying text directly from the Wiki page. The blog post is from 29 December 2020 and includes text apparently copied from the page as it looked on 10 December 2020. No concerns here.

Smh

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On hold: zmbro, another very well written article that managed to tell an interesting story about an album I always passed by. Great stuff. Rather than make you jump through the hoops I made edits as I read through it, so make sure those all look good. Tkbrett (✉) 14:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tkbrett Thanks again for the quick review! All queries are done. – zmbro _(talk) 16:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

zmbro, great job; always happy to help. Tkbrett (✉) 13:07, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorrow

Hello all - this article is brilliant. Similar to the conversation about "I Wish You Would" upthread, this article makes several references "Sorrow" being a cover of the McCoys' song. It is that song, but that original recording is an obscure US B-side. The version Bowie is referencing and covering on this album is the version by the Merseys, a UK number 4 hit in 1966. I'm wondering if there is a way for us to acknowledge this in the article, as the McCoys are out of step with the album as a tribute to British (and one Australian) bands of the mid-1960s. Humbledaisy (talk) 14:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Humbledaisy. Thanks for the kind words! When I was researching this I didn't recall finding info about Bowie's version of "Sorrow" following the Merseys' version, but it's very possible I might have missed something. Now that I realize the McCoys were American and the Merseys were British it would make sense for Bowie to follow the arrangement of the latter rather than the former, as the Merseys is probably what he would have heard growing up in England. Where did you find out it follows the Merseys' and not the McCoys' original? I can look into it later today. – zmbro _(talk) 15:36, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I may have been too forward as I am afraid I don't have a good source for it from the horse's mouth, only that it seems very likely. There is this; the single announcement in the September 22 edition of Record Mirror, probably based upon a press release, which describes the single as "a re-make of the Merseys' hit of 1966, Sorrow" and a write-up about the forthcoming album by Peter Jones from that same edition mentions the Merseys too: "There are surprises, specially for fans accustomed now to his highly-personalised style of songwriting, to have David digging back and recording some of his own personal favourites . . . when HE was the fan and digging sounds in clubs like the Marquee and the Rickytic, Richmond. Who were his favourite acts? Well among them were certainly the Yardbirds, Pretty Things, Them, the Who and the Merseys . . recognised on the album with David's versions of Wish You Would, Rosalind, Here Comes The Night, Can't Explain and Sorrow." That's all I have for now. Humbledaisy (talk) 16:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Humbledaisy, Hmm. Like I said I'll look into it tonight, see what the biographers say. – zmbro _(talk) 16:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]