Talk:Ping (networking utility)

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Move book?[edit]

I don't think the comment about the childrens book supplies any information to the wiki besides the fact that the book exists. Could we move this information to a seperate page? Hopefully then at least it might be developed beyond the stubby link. Is Ping (Literature) accepatable? MB 21:23 16 May 2003 (UTC)

When we have any info, it can be put at The Story of Ping - but we should have a link from here to there so anyone coming here in search of info about the book can be directed there. Or so I feel. Martin

Wikipedia is not a manual for Linux but a generic source of information[edit]

For this reason, we cannot have examples that just serve some of the users and confuse others.

Given the fact that the ping source has been forked by various people immediately after the initial source was published in December 1983, the only option that is common to all forks is -d and Linux is not even compatible to the original source as it does not allow to specify the packet size after the hostname.

If we include an example for ping, we thus need to warn about the nonportability of any possible example (SVr4 descendants like Solaris e.g. need -s to enable more than one ping packet. As long as one user denies (as done recently) to have this expressed in the article, it seems to be better to avoid any example. Schily (talk) 10:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Well, how many people/readers use Linux, and how many use Solaris? We should have that in mind while deciding what could or should be confusing. What would be your wording proposal for the additional clarification? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 10:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so this is kind of a silly thing to fight about. I've removed the -c option, and clarified that the sample is from Linux. Anyone still unhappy? Sneftel (talk) 11:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Some people seem to be interested in fight rather than helpful articles.
@Dsimic: many examples on wikipedia are based on non-standard CLI variants that only work on Linux even though Linux would support the standardized options as well. I try to fix this whenever I get aware of such a problem. Ping is a special case as there is absolutely no common way to use the various forks, even though these forks have all been derived from the same source. Schily (talk) 11:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Please don't get me wrong, Schily, but if there are any Wikipedia editors interested in "fighting" as you've called it, based on your talk page posts so far I'd say that one of those would be you. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 13:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
If you answer after a so long time, I would expect you to first take the time to inform yourself about what happened in the past before drawing quick and false conclusions. Schily (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
What is that I should be especially aware of? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 12:20, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
If you point to my talk page, you should carefully read it instead of just taking a coarse view. There are some people in WP that are very active in trying to plant their wrong view on things into WP. Some of these people even spend a long time just for getting a so called source for their false claims. These people all seem to be UNIX newcomers that don't know what we oldtimers know since ages. Conclusion: be careful with impressions from a coarse view on things. Schily (talk) 15:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The subject of this talk section was resolved three months ago, to (as far as I can tell) everyone's reasonable satisfaction. If you guys want to continue this meta-discussion, might I suggest you do so in user_talk? Sneftel (talk) 18:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with the way it has been resolved. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Message format section unnecessary[edit]

Should this article include the message format which is only of interest to a very few people needing to implement a ping command and host response? Isn't the reference to the RFCs sufficient? DGerman (talk) 16:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Or even just a link to Internet Control Message Protocol, with a brief mention of the normal payload for echo request/response. Doesn't seem necessary to reproduce the IP header layout, at the very least. Sneftel (talk) 19:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

move (rename) the article to the lowercase lettered ping (networking utility)[edit]

Is there any support here to rename the article to ping (networking utility) from the current Ping (networking utility) ? I see that WikiMedia software can now support a lowercase first letter article name (see for example: ) - Bevo (talk) 20:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello! If the article title were "Ping (command-line utility)", I'd support the lowercasing. Otherwise, capitalized title makes more sense because it refers to a type of network utility, not to a specific command-line utility. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)