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Yacht Rock?

Yacht rock should be removed from the genre listing here. It doesn't fit the genre definitions as described by the guys who coined the term in 2005. 2601:46:47F:7B60:1817:5B24:B819:CDC4 (talk) 05:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this, and I removed it. Sparkbean (talk) 11:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's back. I think it needs to stay off.

I know Variety called this song yacht rock, but they don't know what yacht rock is apparently.

One thing that's absolutely required for YR is an actual band with electric guitars, electric pianos (pref. Fender Rhodes), and actual drums.

This song is a completely modern production with none of those things, and regardless the sound is not even close to authentic yacht rock.

Just because a song might be "smooth" or "summery" doesn't make it yacht rock. 2601:46:47F:7B60:E15D:1D26:E12A:D431 (talk) 11:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the article for Yacht rock, but it says it originates from different music genres, which one of them are used in this song. I also couldn't find proof for YR being similar to actual rock, so I guess yacht rock shouldn't belong here. Sparkbean (talk) 11:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Please check my edit summary, here and here. Medxvo (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These guys aren't "Genre Warriors", they INVENTED the genre of yacht rock. They created the conditions with which a song qualifies being part of the genre. What happened is that the media at large invented their own conditions and basically put any song that has any remote level of smoothless into the genre regardless of whether or not it belongs there.

I will attempt to contact one of those guys and see if they can come over here and explain how the song doesn't fit into the yacht rock genre. 2601:46:47F:7B60:21D1:58E9:13DE:4F6F (talk) 07:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The genre warriors are the Wikipedia editors who "think reliable sources are wrong and professional music journalists know nothing about music compared to them". Genre warriors are not the musicians who invented yacht rock. What you're talking about could be true, but it is not a problem that should be discussed here. It could be discussed on the talk page of the genre's own article. For now, a source clearly stated the yacht rock genre, and it can clearly be used as a source. Medxvo (talk) 09:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So one source can't override another source?

So the LA Times says the song is yacht rock. What if an article in the NY times by another music critic says it's not yacht rock? Which source do you believe.

In this case, when the inventors of the genre (who are referenced on the genre page, btw) say it's not yacht rock, then it's not yacht rock. I've already attempted to get their attention on their subreddit. Hopefully they can solve this dilemma. 2601:46:47F:7B60:21D1:58E9:13DE:4F6F (talk) 10:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, The New York Times mentioned yacht rock when they talked about the song, here. Yacht rock was mentioned for the song by The Guardian, here, by Hot Press, here, by The Express Tribune, here, and by New York Post, here. I will also add these sources to the article as an additional sources to the Los Angeles Times one. Medxvo (talk) 11:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone find other sources that support this? I don't know if Yacht Rock belongs here. Sparkbean (talk) 12:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think that six sources mentioning the genre are not enough? Medxvo (talk) 12:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Independent here and BBC here also mention yacht rock for the song. Sparkbean (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]