Talk:Poker Players Alliance
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[edit]The PPA is now the PA, officers are different, etc. I don't have time right now to update the page but will try to come back and do it next month if it still needs it. I did update the website, as a domain squatter has their old domain. Rjhatl (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Needs third party sources
[edit]The article needs massive improvement with reliable third party sources. While there are a few, the important claims about membership, media coverage, etc need sourced better. This would establish notablity. We66er (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- The article has plenty of sources. Please don't add inappropriate tags to articles. Notability is plainly obvious so I don't know why you mention that. I already made the simple change that they claim a million members since obviously no one can independantly confirm that. There is no "massive" need here by any stretch of the imagination. Like all articles maybe soem sentences could use more refs, but that's just part of normal editing. 2005 (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
- 1) Please take the time and look at the tags before you remove them. The top tag reads: "This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications." Many of the sources are either the organization's webpage or blogs. These are not WP:RS. It's not the quantity, but the quality of the sources.
- 2) The two smaller tags for RS membership, which should be "third-party publications." (Yes, there are ways for the media to verify this. A common way is providing to the media receipts of organization's newsletters, which shows how many gets printed and mailed to the members.)
- 3) A notable organization would have several newspaper citations, if not several on a regular basis. I count two in the article. We66er (talk) 05:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- You quoted the text so don't ignore it! It says "This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications." It has references from USA Today, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Cardplayer, Pokerlistings and Congressional sources. Do not add this tag again as it is on its face being used improperly. Use a refimprove tag if you think the refs should be inproved. 2005 (talk) 08:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- And Pokernews is there. SIX reliable third party publications, inclding the government site. Jez, six is more than one. 2005 (talk) 08:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- How is Poker News a WP:RS? How is PokerListings.com a WP:RS? The two newspapers are the RS. We66er (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- You comments make no sense. It's self-evident Pokernews is a reliable source, fact checked with a huge resevoir of stories linked from elsewhere that have a hisory of accuracy. And you even seem to be asserting general interest newspapers are better than expert niche sources. That's just illogical in the extreme. The article has many obvious reliable sources totally independant of the subject (thomas.loc.gov, house.gov, USA Today, Washington post, etc) so please stop with these strange statements that the article has no reliable sources. 2005 (talk) 01:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Make that seven, with two Washington Post articles. 2005 (talk) 08:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- Again, please explain how the blog websites are WP:RS. Indeed, 7 would be good but now after your recent addition I count three. The more amazing claims are sourced by the group itself and a poker website. These are not reliable, third-party publications. We66er (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- The washington Post is a blog now???? Seriously, move on. 2005 (talk) 01:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Again, please explain how the blog websites are WP:RS. Indeed, 7 would be good but now after your recent addition I count three. The more amazing claims are sourced by the group itself and a poker website. These are not reliable, third-party publications. We66er (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- How is Poker News a WP:RS? How is PokerListings.com a WP:RS? The two newspapers are the RS. We66er (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- And Pokernews is there. SIX reliable third party publications, inclding the government site. Jez, six is more than one. 2005 (talk) 08:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- Also please respect other edits to the page. Blindly reverted multiple changes is rude and unhelpful. Add an appropriate tag if you want, but don't add the wrong one again, and don't revert other edits just because you don't care about the article. 2005 (talk) 08:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- You are the one pushing a POV, trying to get other pages linked to this and reverting other people's concerns. I will give you a chance to explain my questions above. If you fail to demonstrate how Poker News, PokerListings.com, etc are RS then I will re-tag those citations. We66er (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Do not deliberately abuse this page. Please read Wikipedia:SOURCES#Sources. If you want to question Pokernews or any source, then find at least three mistaken articles they have published out of thousands. Besides that though, if you want to say the Washington Post and USA Today are not reliable sources, then please take that up somewhere else, as there are thousands of citations from those two. If you re-add a tag that says the article has zero reliable sources, it will be removed immediately. (Additionally the Pokernews cite is just repeating a direct statement from the PPA, so it is not supporting anything unusualy. Please familiarize yourself with WP:V. 2005 (talk) 00:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- You are the one pushing a POV, trying to get other pages linked to this and reverting other people's concerns. I will give you a chance to explain my questions above. If you fail to demonstrate how Poker News, PokerListings.com, etc are RS then I will re-tag those citations. We66er (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- You quoted the text so don't ignore it! It says "This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications." It has references from USA Today, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Cardplayer, Pokerlistings and Congressional sources. Do not add this tag again as it is on its face being used improperly. Use a refimprove tag if you think the refs should be inproved. 2005 (talk) 08:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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